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Congrats on a good outing. But you never have to be scared of casino employees. You got her attention because you were probably the big bettor at the table. Depending on how long you bet at that level they would certainly love to have you come back time and time again. Good to see you winning by flat betting. Also you claim the casino is cheating? What does this mean, "their wired suffered cards."? I have no idea what that could mean?

I didn't have ANY QUESTIONS for you Ellis. You are so bitter and angry you can't even get the facts straight. I had questions for Core, not you "buddy". I sure hope you can stop being so hostile and let bygones be bygones.

I really wish I could post questions here without the backlash. I'm curious Ellis when did I ever express an interest in buying anything from CORE? Can you please stop with the whole angry old man thing and please just calm down? All I wanted to do was to find out what casinos were like in the Asia subcontinent. Chances are I'll never travel that far to find out myself, so while I have access to somebody from across the Pacific I thought I'd pick his brain a little. Thank you Core for answering my questions. Best of luck to you.

Core, you don't play NOR? I see that you did buy NOR, correct? If not NOR how do you play now? Another BTC system? What are the shoes like where you play? I sincerely don't want to get in middle here, but Ellis you know there are ways to win 25 units in a shoe flat betting without having to win "50 hands more than you lost". That was unfair and misleading.

Oh boy. Here we go. I posted that old forum entry to point out what you got with your lifetime membership. But now you are reclassifying the terms and splitting hairs calling lifetime memberships, "forum memberships". Haha, Fine. Guess what, that is taking advantage of your students. Something you claimed BTC was above and would never do. ways to market your forum for you? I got one. WORD OF MOUTH. Its a very powerful marketing technique. These past 2-3 weeks around here have been like an old twilight zone episode. Unbelievable.

Sections 1.0 1.1 and 5.0 5.1 are particularly enlightening. Your "idea" to charge existing members for your newest latest and greatest take on Net Betting is offensive and a direct violation of what I thought I piad for with my LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP. This is very insulting and distressing.

Getting a little hostile now aren't we? If you aren't using the MM in Frankenstein baccarat then you aren't playing Frankenstein baccarat. How come people always get angry when you tell them that using a matingale MM won't work? Why so defensive? I keep wishing you good luck and you keep getting more angry at me. Weird.

LOL What's so hard to understand? A Martingale? Sorry doesn't work because you'll have to bet that 6th or 7th or even 8th step sooner or later then its goodnight. Like I said good luck with that.

Bacqueen, Enjoy your success while you can. With this system the longer you play, or the more shoes you play the higher the chance that you will lose all your little wins and more. With the way I play the longer I play the less of a chance I'll lose my money back. When it does happen just remember you were warned about it.

Well its real simple. Start at the minimum bet allowed then keep doubling your bet on a loss.

Could you please explain your reasons for your OTR bets? At play 22 you lost your OTR bet, so why at play 27 did you bet OTR? Also at play 40 then play 43 the same scenario plays out. I thought per the manual that we are supposed to look at what happened the previous time we go OTR and make our decision as whether to go OTR based on if the last time we went OTR the bet won or lost? Thank you for post a play by play shoe. It helps a lot.

Ellis if we choose to never make a OTR bet is that OK too? Can we still be profitable if we are that conservative?

Thank you Keith for the 2 part videos from the Vegas seminar. Was there nothing filmed on OTB4L? Maybe one day there might be? I tell ya for me that's the one I struggle with the most. Ellis's talking about how he plays is just so much more effective a learning tool then reading about it. Those videos are sweet.

TangNang started his thread on 12/19/2011

Sounds like rudd1234 has an IQ of 70. Sounds like a non starter to me. However, weeks ago now I reported to Keith about a member here that was going to teach NOR to the BF people. Guess that was stopped before it began.

Keith you mentioned that you had 3 videos? Does part 3 cover OTB4L? DId Ellis cover that part of NOR in the VEGAS seminar? Thanks for your reply.

This seems like one step closer to getting rid of the real cards decks altogether. I don't want to play a fake baccarat game.

Are there anymore parts? I hope you can upload the video that talks about OTB4L. Thank you Keith.

Im personaly looking forward to the OTB4L video....that's the hard one for me with it modes.

Tang I just think we were having a hard time understanding what you were trying to say. You are a full member here, you should be able to speak your mind.

Why would you eliminate f2 there?

I don't understand that sorry.

What is SUO? Sorry you mean s40?

try uploading your pic here. Then post the link.

The reason I mention those shoes is, I think its the switching you do or don't do that is the key to making everything work the way it should, IMO. We need to have the benefit of your many years of experience Ellis... And maybe asking that of you is asking too much but if there is any wisdom from your many years of playing you can pass on to us, as it relates to when to switch or even get out all together, it would be key to more won shoes and higher ROI's. Again IMO.