BigVic

Ouch. That seems to suggest that NOR and all the other systems haven't been winning consistently. Ah the good o'days back in 2010-2012 when NOR used to kick ass. I miss them.

Ellis if you had taken the time to read my post you would of seen that I agree with you. I think that your +5 is wonderful, why then won't you put your money where your mouth is and just play it? Surely the system creator is willing and ready to play his own system? If you did then your financial shortfall would be over and the pressure off to constantly trying new ways to make money from this forum. Surely playing +5 you can more money with that then you ever could with this forum. What am I missing here?

Guys, no matter what direction this forum goes into now, please think about this. Ellis claims that what used to work to beat the casino baccarat game no longer works because of pre-shuffled shoes. So even how Ellis USED TO PLAY back in the day won't win anymore according to his argument. He even claims that NOR is obsolete now. His latest system or method is to learn how to win +5 units per shoe consistently and then progress your betting to reach a million dollars of profit within weeks (the time target does seems to be changing so who knows what it is now). Wouldn't it make sense then for someone, preferably Ellis or Keith (the ones who are SELLING this idea) to test it out first to find out if what they say is even possible? Would you pay for advice on how to become a millionaire in the CURRENT CONDITIONS of the stock market from somebody who just has a theory about how to do it? Or from someone who actually did it. Ellis claims he made gobs of money years ago playing baccarat, but according to him the game has completely changing sense then. It's quite comical really. If Ellis or Keith did the +5 unit a shoe million dollar program for real and were successful at it, then they could charge almost anything they wanted for access to the forum...but as it is, $10 a month was the last going rate I heard...how sad. But $10 a month is what you can expect for something that promises grandiose rewards with zero proof of accomplishment. And if you think me as crass or ungrateful towards the BTC, just remember it wasn't that long ago the BTC was trying to sell a unproven "superbet" system for 5g's that very quickly unraveled into what we have left of the 4D today. Hell it isn't even being sold anymore, now that's a first ever sense I've been here. Just be careful. That's all I'm saying.

The answer to all Keith's and Ellis's problems are staring them right in the face! I think the two founders of "Beat The Casino" who want to sell a product called "Million Dollar Webinar" should lead by example and individually go out, spend the next 30 days and each make 1 million dollars playing baccarat exactly the way they teach it in the webinar. That would serve two purposes. First: Prove beyond a doubt that what they are selling works for the baccarat game currently being dealt. Second: NO MORE MONEY WORRIES FOR THE FORUM! Simple really. Excuses to follow.....

I'm just wondering what comes after the million dollar baccarat, 1 billion? Now that I'd pay to see.

Honestly I've never have kept track of my percentage of winning hands per shoe/session/etc. However I will say this. If you aren't winning close to 50% of your hands in a small sample say per shoe or at least per session than you're not seeing the game good enough to be successful at it. You can win with less but it makes it "interesting" when you're only winning 1 out of 3 hands or worse. All of this is just opinion of course.

Are you visiting the casino on the same days or the same times of day every time you visit? Because the shoes you are posting are quite consistent with one another. Until that changes I'd keep playing with what has been working with little to no fear. But the shoes will change eventually so be watchful.

And this is contributing to the forum? Please take your "gift" someplace else.

Boy are we completely full of ourselves. I apologize to the whole forum....hell I apologize to all of humanity. Kramden/Jesus was about to bless us all with a baccarat miracle and now he won't. We are all doomed.

Care to provide an example of this? What does, "table biases going beyond NOR" even mean? That sounds like a big contradiction.

Anybody that professes to being a newbie trying to figure things out while at the same time claiming that they can win every shoe with their new shiny never-before-seen-uber-secret-discovery deserves some scrutiny and ridicule. Unless of course they can back that up with some sort of solid proof. Otherwise they're just another johnny come lately to this board that long time members here have seen come and go for years now. BTW, I was always the nerd in class that got picked on and did others homework for them so I wouldn't get picked on. Good to know that I'm now a "punk". That feels really "cool". Thank you.

Because Ellis said it would. Shoes are less random when Ellis plays them.

So you're a newbie, trying to figure something out but at the same time never lose a single shoe. Uh huh. I'll tell you what you are, one weird duck. Do you just like the attention from your posts or are you just full of BS and are desperate because your losing streak didn't end with bet phoenix and maybe followed you into the real brick casinos?

It's not the member's responsibility to develop a winning system. Paying members PAID their money upfront with the understanding that what they were getting for their money was a complete proven winning system. And to be fair NOR is that winning system that most of us payed $600 for. What you're going on about is the $5000 super bet system. I guess $5000 doesn't go as far as it used to. My advice to anybody is to master NOR. Too many here fall to the trap of being " a jack of all trades, master of none."

Says you. Quite presumptuous of you to think that.

I'm sorry Lou, I don't play the 4D. But if I did I would play the way I just showed and then maybe play to 2 or 3 losses in a row and then stop and wait for a win or two before continuing. I think getting to know your casino and their tables is much more important than being dogmatic about playing a system.

look for the highest entry across the columns, starting from left to right, regardless of + or -. Look at the direction the column was going in and bet that it reverses. I caution you though on trying to find a magic set of rules to bet. Mechanical bet selections always lose. Better to be loose and free with your observations and bet the current shoe trends as they develop.

This ought to rattle your brain somewhat. One rule was used for bet selection for all bets.

If your casino still permits betting on banker and player at the same time, you could bet say an offset of $10 or $15 on the two bets. That way you turn a $25 table into a $10 or $15 table. Of course you'll pay a commission penalty and you would need to practice so that you don't make betting mistakes when betting that way.

If you are in a shoe THAT high in 1's why would you even mess with 3's or more? Bet 1's until you lose twice in a row...wait for a confirmed 1 in a row and then continue with your betting the 1's. Remember this is a shoe high or very high in 1's.

On second thought I think you're ready. Go get'em tiger.

Why not practice at a live baccarat internet casino? Doesn't cost anything.

Whether we like it or not, despite the system or method we use, it is all just a guess. The question is, how good are your guesses?

Your shoe scores +24 with a highest bet of 3 playing TB4L.

Well what I prefer to do is to stay on runs until they end. What you're describing is to bet the run for 1 bet then bet opposites, and if that bet loses then bet repeats for 1 bet and then back to opposites again. That would drive me nuts constantly going on and off runs that way.