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It's kinda sad really...apart from Ellis himself and a few obvious exceptions (black2bac being one) The closest they are ever going to get to a high IQ is if Macdonalds open a restaurant at the top of Mount Everest. I really do feel sorry for those guys...They have been scammed by experts.

Given that you would be lucky to last two weeks before a total IP Banning (after Dean got your money in his sweaty little paw)...I'm pulling rank and giving you "Honourary" Membership of "THE CASINO FORUM CLUB HONOUR ROLL" ... This entitles you to all benefits including one pair of Glow in the Dark "EXIT ONLY" jocks in case "you know who" happens to be playing the same table...err...NO Ellis you can't join...Anyways...you need more than one pair, but in the spirit of goodwill...I'll send you the link to my supplier. Welcome my friend.

To the guys who have not pulled the trigger to get the premium membership, you are doing yourself an injustice. Many of our "Top-Notch" players don't need BTC. These players are proficient enough in the game that they CAN go on with minimal practice BUT.......... they stay on the forum to keep in contact with great people and more importantly to give back. There are also so many resources that you can pull from such as Stats for Profits and other past threads which included several posts from a late great BTC hall of fame member that we all strive to become. This premium forum is quickly evolving into a worldwide team that is on the cutting edge for resources on how to better your game. You are endeavoring on an activity where you are putting up your hard earned money and taking a chance to make more money eg: gambling. It boggles my mind that public members don't invest in their education and dive right in to the premium forum. Wager your money on BTC, you won't be disappointed. One of our "Top Notch" players has been gracious enough to take the time to put his new way of thinking on the premium forum. Jump in and let's all tackle this together!!!!!!!!

LOL...I was worried that I may have been too subtle...obviously not...

I'm hearing good reports but I would like it tested by an "Outside Source" if possible...I know just the man for the job...LMFAO Seriously though...if it's coming from Kevin...it will be worth serious investigation. He knows his Baccarat...

You could always join up...I'm betting that you could last weeks before you were banned...and "WINNER...WINNER...CHICKEN DINNER"...You would make the CFC Honour Roll.

DO IT!...LOL

You are the only Kevin...You are the only bugger I know with a more warped sense of humour than I have. LMFAO

This is the list of players that dared to question "He who must be adored" and were banned for all eternity. Dissatisfied customers all... Some questioned the length of time taken to produce a 24 page manual...yup...2 years is a bit rich when all except for ANB (which by their own admission doesn't work) were rehashed old systems Some were indignant at the lies being told Some questioned the variance of the propaganda posted on the Public Forum compared with the discussion on the Private Forum Some asked for refunds (like that was ever going to happen?) Some just tried to help and after testing pointed out the probs with these so called infallible systems. Some just told a few home-truths to the "snake oil" salesmen And some...(OK...one) . simply told Dean that he was a total F***wit who knows as much about Baccarat as Carlos does about personal hygiene. CFC HONOUR ROLL way2fast McVince Ozscouser (Oz) Pando Papa Joe (banned himself when he couldn't take any more BS) Honorary mention to Norm A who would have been the first banned because he too loathed scamming BS Kevin seems to have banned himself despite the pleadings of the CFC elite to cross over to the dark side (CFC) to give them some legitimacy There are many others...Feel free to add your/their names Hmm...Looking at the list so far...I'm in good company

Pretty much as expected, but in the unlikely event that Ellis and Dean will suddenly develop a set of scruples and issue a refund to one of many dissatisfied customers ...I've sent them the link to this thread. I don't hold out much hope, but stranger things have happened (offhand...I can't think of any though)...LOL It kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know how pissed off these "snake oil salesmen" will be that their scams are exposed here on BTC and must have cost them untold sales. Like I always say..."You can't help bad luck".

Looks like the post only lasted a little over 15 hours. Post has been removed, as has the member profile.

Consider it done...I'll check with Keith first but I might even offer Ellis and Dean a Group Discount if they both sign up (and an extra discount if they keep Carlos, the undie sniffer...the hell away from BTC). A man has to have some standards.

That would be funny. Better yet, email Ellis and tell him to sign up. It's only $59 a month and he can really learn a lot of stuff on BTC because BTC has never been better than it is right now.

You know that I'm doing this just to piss the scammers right off...right?...That's how I roll...LOL

It took the combined skill set and observational qualities of the greatest living Baccarat Player in the history of the game and the "legend in his own mind" Canadian Technological Giant ...24 hours to pick up on the Post on CFC by a very aggrieved member who felt he had been totally ripped off by outrageous and untrue claims of successful Baccarat systems before it was deleted (Can't have the truth being told when you are trying to rip people off) Our intrepid Kiwi member is nothing if not persistant...so he posted his complaint again... Hi CFC (Previous post seems to have been deleted in error)...LMFAO I purchased the Final Word at quite an expensive price, but I thought it would be worth it if the promises made were fulfilled, and the promises were substantial. But the only thing new in the Final Word was ANB, and now by your own admission, it doesn’t work. Further, you say it hasn’t been fully tested, despite us having to wait 2 years for the manual to be completed. I feel ripped off. Please refund my money in full to my Pay Pal account. That would be the right and decent thing to do regards That's gonna be a definite coffee spitter when Dean spots it...LOL But down to business...Given the two supreme intellects that run CFC...How long do you think it will take to spot and delete this post? I vote 20 hours

Given the current growth in our membership...the SITCFCAC will pretty much outnumber the entire CFC Forum before Ellis can release his next "unbeatable" system. I do however find it ironic that the combination of a 160 IQ and a self-confessed Canadian Hi Tech Geek with delusions of relevance took over 24 hours to discover the breach of their "Don't you dare question the Great Man" rules when a crusty old Aussie who struggles to switch his Laptop on spotted it immediately. I'm thinking that in the spirit of reconciliation (after all... I am renowned as a "People" Person) that I should send Dean the link to BTC so that we can keep him up to speed.

That post was removed from CFC. Oz, W2F, I think we have a new member of the "Sent into the CFC Abyss" club.

I agree Oz. It is not right. People should be warned, which is the only reason I post about it. I'm not going to get worked up over it though. I know what works --- those sleaze-buckets at CFC had plenty of opportunities to see what I (and some others) have discovered. But their ego (i.e. 160 IQ, etc.) and their pure jealousy, greed and stupidity (all apply to Mr. CFC) all got in their own way.

I am sure everyone has heard or have seen Disney's The Lion King and are familiar with the term "The Circle of Life" (CL). The CL is present in Baccarat. When guys decide that they are going to try and tackle this game they look for information that could assist in their journey. They click on CFC not knowing who they are dealing with and the newbie reads: 160 IQ Expected 500 unit profits per shoe Only people with 160 IQ can teach you this and so on The guy latches on and invests, and invests and invests and after the second and third system purchased and the guy has made zero to little progress he starts getting pissed off and fights back and then sooner rather than late gets the "CFC Black-Ball" because he refuses to be one of the sheep in the herd. Now comes another new person who wants to tackle this game and the cycle starts over. It is unfortunate.

W2F...You are much more the gentleman than I am...You still seem to look for the good in people...try to give them the benefit of the doubt and it genuinely saddens you to see the direction that people that you once respected have taken. Me...not so much...I'm Black and White and from me...no benefit of the doubt...if you are deliberately misrepresenting a product to sell to people who are desperate for a way to improve their lives...giving hope when you know there is none...then 160 IQ or not...You are freaking "Gutter swill"...no more...no less. It just makes me freaking angry...I know from experience that this game can be beaten given the right tools(available on BTC) and bloody hard work and commitment and to see so many people get ripped off and disillusioned by bloody scammers makes my blood boil. It's not right...You know it's not right...I know it's not right and it frustrates the living shit out of me that people...nice people...decent people... get taken for a ride by scumbags. Hmm...I'm getting all worked up...best go find my meds...LOL

Wow, they moved quickly from phase 5 right to phase 7 of the CFC Baccarat System LIfe Cycle, posted on another thread. Although clearly predicted, I didn't expect this for another couple weeks. i have to say, that seven phase life cycle would be an extremely reliable signal and strong bias if it was like a bac shoe we could bet on. Time for a new system? Yeah, I will make my largest bet as soon as they start hinting to problems with the most recent, greatest system ever. Its just so sad that potentially good players have gone down this rat hole and allowed this nonsense to continue.

A very respected BTC player has asked for a refund from CFC because of all the false claims made about "Invincible Baccarat Systems". I seriously doubt that he expects a refund but is putting it out there as a warning to those thinking of wasting their hard earned on another scam system. Like he said...Over two years in the making...a manual smaller than the average Macdonalds Menu and still it wasn't fully tested and it doesn't work...Wrong on so many levels... Somehow this post got past the CFC censors...or maybe they are just through caring and are concentrating on their next unbeatable system...Go figure... July 30, 2017 at 1:34 pm#5025 Pando Participant Hi CFC I purchased the Final Word at quite an expensive price, but I thought it would be worth it if the promises made were fulfilled, and the promises were substantial. But the only thing new in the Final Word was ANB, and now by your own admission, it doesn’t work. Further, you say it hasn’t been fully tested, despite us having to wait 2 years for the manual to be completed. I feel ripped off. Please refund my money in full to my Pay Pal account. That would be the right and decent thing to do

Please tell me you are joking. lol. I know you are not CT. Let's see, what system can be such a complicated series of events such as 34545 with minimal 1's........ He's got me. And it only took him 40 years to get this. This system will be a part of the CFC Red/Green Take-down #2.

Well it's that time again. Fresh off the press from the forum that can't be named. "Guys, I'm working on another system I call the OR system. Yeah, I know I said I wouldn't do that but I can't help myself. These things just come to me. Initially, I was looking for a better system to switch to when ANB is not scoring well but OTB4L doesn't look that hot. It beats 2,3s and has only ONE nemesis - blocks of runs on the tote board. Such as a 34545 - many strings of events W/O a one. These are very rare at most casinos but others tend to throw them at you. A block of runs is ALWAYS REPEATS. Other than that, it simply doesn't lose to anything. I'm in the process of playing my 13 Tunica shoes over again with OR. We already know how ANB does with them. Yes, I've got a couple guys testing but I've got to get Carlos involved. I'll let you know.

Wasn't that group of Asians who took 60 million a while back?