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Yep...The CFC site has been down for over 12 hours. Most likely just a glitch but given that the members have just been told/realised that none of the so called "Invincible" systems actually work it...Ellis might be taking a breather while he works out how to spin this. The timing is interesting though. Looking at the bright side...at least the CFC patsies...my bad...I mean members... will be forearmed with a heap of systems for the next time the Casinos change their cards...LOL Failing that...there is always the "emergency toilet paper" option

The systems on CFC that were going to change the face of Baccarat have been canned. All the so called "Unbeatable" Negative Progression" systems are no more. ANB...The ultimate never lose system...The pinnacle of "The Final Word"...Ellis's crowning achievement after 40 years of Baccarat...The system that CFC members paid for two years in advance... is no more...The Menu sized manuscript...two years in the making and best used as emergency toilet paper MvD (almost an exact copy of Pattern Recognition) died a slow lingering death yonks ago The Newest and best of all ...the O/R system ...barely lasted 24 hours before CFC members ripped it to shreds What Happened...What diabolical twist of fate could have caused this disaster? You guessed it...The Casinos changed the cards again...Seriously...LMFAO And here's the clincher...The Casinos have switched back to NOR Card Shuffles...I'm crying here...I really am...LOL How pissed off would you be after paying out all that money...the extra cost of the Seminars...The wasted time and money experimenting with these failure systems only to return to NOR which has been available on BTC for next to nothing...complete with access to "Stats For Profit" the best Baccarat Practice tool available. The final say on the subject has to go to a rather disgruntled CFC member...You gotta feel sorry for these guys...They were scammed and they know it. August 30, 2017 at 7:49 pm#5102REPLY Participant So… the conclusion is: we should all go back to playing NOR, and stop bothering with ANB and O/R? He doesn't sound happy... BTW: Apparently all we BTC members are using his old MDB and RSAP systems...Shall you tell him or shall I... that we left those mechanical systems behind yonks ago and in the main...we don't play Negative Progressions and more and more members of BTC are becoming WINNERS and no one is bellyaching about Casinos changing cards...We play what we see..

I answered this post but transferred it to the Premium section.

Pleased to hear it William...

Memo to Admin: I fully support Alrelax's request for this Thread to be deleted. No loss really as I was about to post a remarkably similar Thread myself. Just one of them thar coincidences, I guess. As a service to the Private members of BTC...I may post my similar (cough...cough) thoughts to Alrelax in the Premium Forum in a single Thread...Beats the living shit out of "War and Peace" as a cure for insomnia.

Memo to Admin: I fully support Alrelax's request for this Thread to be deleted. No loss really as I was about to post a remarkably similar Thread myself. Just one of them thar coincidences, I guess. As a service to the Private members of BTC...I may post my similar (cough...cough) thoughts to Alrelax in the Premium Forum in a single Thread...Beats the living shit out of "War and Peace" as a cure for insomnia.

Offhand...I know of 8 to 10 players that have the skills to play as full-time professionals but not all of them want too. No doubt, there are others. There are several others that are close to the mark and with a little more fine tuning, will make the grade. They all have one thing in common...work ethic. Apart from a few rental properties, Baccarat is my sole source of income, so it would be a fair guess that I do OK.

Alrelax/Glen...We may have got off on the wrong foot and just to prove that I'm willing to let bygones be bygones...Here is a link which is full of like minded egos...I mean people... where you should feel right at home...in the interest of harmonious relations... http://www.casinoforum.club/ No...don't thank me...just my people skills again. Tell them Carlos sent you

Alrelax...I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt because I have a well-deserved reputation as a "People Person extraordinaire"... almost without peer, but I do have to take umbrage with your dissing of w2f. Certainly...his ego can get out of control (unlike your good self) ...Oh shit...WTF am I saying?...sarcasm is probably unrecognised and wasted on you. Seriously...you do appear to have a problem...You come on here unannounced like a knight on a white horse to set we mere Plebs on the straight and narrow and because we didn't fall down and worship your undoubted "Greatness"...you get your knickers in a twist. (DAMMIT!...I used the K word...Carlos will be right on my case) You probably had some worthwhile thoughts which might have been worth discussion except that you flooded the forum with your "cut and paste" from your own blog and it was a case of "information overload"...too much in too short a time...and now because we didn't recognise your awesomeness...you want to take your bat and ball and go home. (Down Under, it's called "spitting the dummy") It's a Public Forum buddy and if you didn't want it to be Public...you should have kept your words of wisdom to yourself. I'm a pretty good judge of character (along with my "people person" skills) and I am reading "anger management" issues here... (that and maybe a few kangaroos asleep in the top paddock) and I'm suggesting for the sake of your own mental well being that you voluntarily remove yourself from the Forum for a while and return only when you have completed an approved "Anger Management" course (and produce an authorised "Certificate of Sanity"). Maybe it's not as bad as you think and a change of meds will do the trick. Bringing my "People Skills" to the fore...I do however wish you good fortune and hope you get well real soon. BTW: I have taken the liberty of copying all your posts from your Blog and if they happen to get deleted...Guess who is gonna post them right back up again..that's what I do...LOL Alrelax/Glen...I'm guessing that as big a conceited arsehole as you are...you realise that you just met a bigger one. BTW: Should you wish to discuss your issues face to face...only too happy to oblige...My real name is Carlos and I live in Montreal...just PM me for details (Phone and address)...failing that, you can likely catch me rifling through Ellis's dirty laundry basket. (I might get lucky) BTW w2f...about the "ego out of control" comment...I was kidding...sorta

Hey Alrelax, this is a public forum. What you post becomes the property of admin. So don't spin your wheels requesting to get posts removed. You should have thought of that before you posted. Moreover, you have some nerve bad mouthing one of the most respected players on this forum. You may be playing black chips, but W2F has already forgotten what a black chip looks like, and plays 1K and up. He is in a different league than you. He has moved on to play with the "big boys". He doesn't need this forum or your advice. He is doing YOU a favor by sharing his wisdom here. You can't even fill his shadow and no matter what you say, everyone here knows who W2F is, his reputation precedes his name and anything you say will just be contributed to jealousy. I speak for all the members on this forum. CT70

I'm starting to feel sorry for those guys on CFC...They forked out all that money and the promises made to them have proven false and they are sounding very much like they have just come to the realisation that they have been "scammed" Don't feel bad fellas...He caught a lot of us (me included)...The good news is that you can join up here for next to nothing and with hard work, you can really be a winner. August 24, 2017 at 10:46 am#5084 Participant What has happen to Baccarat I thought the O/R system beats everything and now we out it does not work so lets get some information on either O/R or ANB that is why I got on the board and I thought everyone else. August 26, 2017 at 5:58 pm#5086 > Participant I agree Wxxxr, Very dull forum!?!?!?! ...Not much you can say when all your infallible systems crash and burn...

If I start commenting on the owner, it looks like I'm trying to flog memberships to BTC and may have a pecuniary interest in BTC which I certainly do not. I'm just an ordinary guy who makes his living playing Baccarat and recognise that it wasn't that long ago when I knew literally "sweet stuff all" about Baccarat and if not for the tools available on BTC and assistance from some of the members, I would still be among the ranks of the 99% of losers. I'm grateful to BTC and it's members which is why I promote the site.

on "The Forum That Cannot Be Named"... Participant What has happen to Baccarat I thought the O/R system beats everything and now we found out it does not so lets get some information on either O/R or ANB that is why I got on the board and I thought everyone else...YEP...I'd be pissed off too if I'd forked out $1000 to the Greatest mind in the history of Baccarat and another system 40 years in the making goes down the gurgler with it's designer nowhere to be found. At least here there is no BS...No false promises from snake oil salesmen...No ridiculous charges for systems that do not work...NO NEGATIVE PROGRESSIONS...just the knowledge that you are joining a group of people that are already winning at the casino and will assist you to do the same...(and no Carlos sniffing around your undies) Training videos from proven winners...Kevin and w2f... Did I mention "Stats For Profit"?...undoubtedly the best Baccarat Practice tool on the net with many, many thousands of real shoes uploaded from real casinos on an interactive Toteboard that displays one hand at a time at whatever speed you choose...You can't ask for better than that.

Considering the title of the thread, I'd say that's "Worth at least 50k".

If you ignore the emotive language...I just told every newbie how to play this shoe.

Wouldn't need one...If I was dealt this shoe in the Casino...I would walk out owning the Casino. Blind Freddy would stomp this shoe. Bloody hell...Starts off repeats from the get go....a massive SS on Banker with 2's LC and 3's MC...FFS...There were only two single Banker opps in the whole freaking shoe...Then it moved to an OT section with 3's still MC if you lose because the 2 goes to 3...you get it straight back betting 3's MC. It would be impossible to lose this shoe. My dog could lay a humongous turd on the scorecard and it would most likely win.

W What do you mean by +2/-1 ? CT70

Keith should answer this. But from what I understand, this is a series of 3 sessions to be offered on go to meeting to new Premium members. Each session will be recorded and be available to all Premium members. my session the the 27th is not a live casino session (no casino would EVER let us do that!). A few members will be playing together that day, including Keith, so we thought we could do my session when we are together, in the same place.

I have a few topics that I think players would be interested in. But am very open to hearing from those that have signed up on what they would like me to present. I expect some of the session will also be Q&A. We may jot be able to cover everyone's topics in the hour long session, however, I will follow up afterwards with more information and examples in the Premium forum.

SMARTARSE! I can't understand why you don't have any friends...LOL The good news is that my daughter is gonna come up and do that shit before "She who must be obeyed" heads off to China on Holiday. Give me a break...I only just discovered that when I googled "Wonderwoman" so I could watch the movie online, I got smashed by Porn sites. My daughter said to me..."Dad...think about it...How was that not going to happen?"

You may have to personally go visit Oz and load WhatsApp on his phone.

Ellis? Nah...just kidding...The real giveaway is that there is no mention of 40 years in the making and no $1000 price tag for a menu sized Manual. If anyone but Kevin made this statement, I would be more than a little suss...But it is Kevin...and Kevin is the "REAL DEAL"!

You do of course realise that Carlos and Ellis will be combining their collection of Red chips from their latest attack on the Casino and might just between them scrape up the $50 required to join the Premium Forum...

DJ, with the bank roll you have, there are easier and less risky ways to make a $100 if that is your goal. CT70

Just consider the staggering loss that is possible playing this way. When you lose 7 bets with that progression you will have lost 292 units. At that point just turn off the lights. Count whatever blessings you have left. You are no longer a professional baccarat player. Losing 7 bets in a row WILL happen. Playing S40M3, a 4iar followed by a 4 or more will result in losing 7 bets -- for a whopping 292 units. Of course, that assumes you have the balls to make that 155 unit bet knowing that you are already down 137 units. I got to tell you, I see consecutive 4iars every 2-4 shoes. How often can you afford to lose 292 units when your base bet is 1 unit?