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Now, on the previous Hollywood trip nearly every shoe was "behaving". + shoes stayed + and - shoes stayed -. We took advantage of that fact and literally killed them with ease. But the casino also took note and made some changes. On this trip, few shoes behaved. + shoes would suddenly change to - and vice versa.

So we had to change to these new conditions. It became obvious right off that we could NOT exploit the first bet and we quickly changed from a 3 first bet to a 1 first bet and we reduced our goal from +20 to +10. Most of us also reduced our hi bet to 3. I played 2 Hi on quite a few shoes. That was all the traffic would bare this trip. But, by making these changes early (Friday night) I was still able to maintain a 90% shoe win rate. Every time I tried to beat +10 I ended up back at +10 and even +9 a few times. Eventually I quit trying. +10 was the name of the game this trip.

You should take this as a strong indication that casinos KNOW what they are doing. THEY learn too! The cards are NOT random. Such trips teach you to ALWAYS adjust to the conditions at hand. It is not always easy. Casinos may seem NICE to you but behind the scenes they are struggling to BEAT you. THAT is their job!

Last trip + 10 was a disappointing score. This trip +10 was a great score!

First, my deepest condolences to Sir Ellis. You’re always on our prayers.

The last Hollywood trip shoes were common occurrences in my country of play so when I read what happened on that last trip I was unfazed with the outcome.

In my country of play, casino shoes are always the “hybrid†type ( “+†at some plays then will go to “–“ then eventually will become “neutral†and vice-versa) and you will see this happening on the entire 72 plays.

S40 can beat almost all shoes as long as it is not the “hybrid†type. This is what I call “Anti-S40 Shoes.â€

SO HOW DO WE BEAT THESE KIND OF SHOES?

I already made modifications (S40M) on S40 making it battle-ready on such “hybrid†shoes but I can not share it for the meantime due to the following: 1) S40 Advanced is underway we just don’t know the release (I might pre-empt S40A) and 2) I am still completing my 200 actual live games in the casino (as of today, I just played 50 live games using S40M with STILL NO LOSS on record).

The purpose of this thread is to post your shoes where S40 is having difficulty (hybrid shoes) so I can analyze it and at the same time test it with my S40M.

As of today, I have no idea what shoes will beat my S40M because I haven’t lose yet using my modifications. I always test system/s or modifications on actual live games because my emotion, patience, discipline and actual decision-making are present unlike computer-based testing where none of the above is present.

I am making this initiative while we are still waiting for the release of S40A and to help new members understand the simplicity of S40 and how to beat the casinos on a consistent basis. In the event I completed my actual 200 live games before the release of S40A, I will post my S40M for the benefit of all BTC members.

BK

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Right Andrea. Audio, I think its better to tell us now in case there are ideas we can incorporate into the final S40A manual.

Hi Sir Ellis and Andrea.

This is BK not Audio.

A little mixed-up eh?

Been absent on the forum for a while.

Been busy studying the overall weaknesses of S40.

Honestly, the modifications are done already even before your last Hollywood trip.

My familiarity with hybrid shoes gave me the understanding on the weaknesses of S40.

I tested my S40M (modifications) on your Hollywood shoes and the results were phenomenal.

Your -23 was converted to +0…

-8 to +11…

-4 to +3…

-4 to +24…

+1 to +33…

+2 to +24…

These shoes are all losers to our S40 but winners to my S40M.

My problem right now is how I can explain these modifications in a very simple way.

For example, I am using two progressions on S40M.

23456 (lose the 6 go back to 2) and the Martingale - 246 on selected triggers (Note: This should have been 248 but I made it more conservative).

Another, the combination of O/R count and Triggers. Which will be prioritized?

What are these Triggers? This is something new.

Casino shoes have certain tendencies.

The MC/LC count has a little impact already because of the complexity of the shoe (hybrid).

The LC will become the MC then the MC will be the LC.

RD1/F2/F3 will no longer be used because simple Repeat bet/s will do.

This is my dilemna.

The modifications I made on our S40 will contradict our manual.

BK

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If you're only betting repeats, how do you stay out of trouble in a choppy shoe. At least if you're using F2 you can get around some of the chop but if you're not using that, how do can win in a choppy shoe?......Jersey

Hi Sir Ellis and Andrea.

This is BK not Audio.

A little mixed-up eh?

Been absent on the forum for a while.

Been busy studying the overall weaknesses of S40.

Honestly, the modifications are done already even before your last Hollywood trip.

My familiarity with hybrid shoes gave me the understanding on the weaknesses of S40.

I tested my S40M (modifications) on your Hollywood shoes and the results were phenomenal.

Your -23 was converted to +0…

-8 to +11…

-4 to +3…

-4 to +24…

+1 to +33…

+2 to +24…

These shoes are all losers to our S40 but winners to my S40M.

My problem right now is how I can explain these modifications in a very simple way.

For example, I am using two progressions on S40M.

23456 (lose the 6 go back to 2) and the Martingale - 246 on selected triggers (Note: This should have been 248 but I made it more conservative).

Another, the combination of O/R count and Triggers. Which will be prioritized?

What are these Triggers? This is something new.

Casino shoes have certain tendencies.

The MC/LC count has a little impact already because of the complexity of the shoe (hybrid).

The LC will become the MC then the MC will be the LC.

RD1/F2/F3 will no longer be used because simple Repeat bet/s will do.

This is my dilemna.

The modifications I made on our S40 will contradict our manual.

BK

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No doubt the conversion of s40 loser shoes will result in winners,

however, what does it do to the s40 shoe winners? do they then become losers??? or they become break even shoes?

No. The S40 winning shoes doubled the winning units when the S40M was applied.

Like I said, two progressions were used on certain triggers.

That made one of the differences of S40M.

BK

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If you're only betting repeats, how do you stay out of trouble in a choppy shoe. At least if you're using F2 you can get around some of the chop but if you're not using that, how do can win in a choppy shoe?......Jersey

You’re missing my point.

I am talking here about “hybrid shoes.â€

If our S40 could not win on these hybrid shoes then common sense tell us that Repeat bets alone have no chance at all.

We have to customize the different systems available here at BTC to come up with a solid approach in beating casino shoes on a consistent basis.

The last Hollywood trip exposed the weaknesses of S40.

Something our founders have overlooked before launching the S40 manual.

BK

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Maybe you could post a shoe you did from Hollywood with some notes as to why you changed modes...........Jersey

Frankly speaking, I do not rely anymore on our BTC SYSTEMS ALONE. No matter how vast it is.

Why?

NO system on this forum and in other forums made me win for 3 consecutive months (Note: This is 60 playing games in my calendar).

Everytime a new system will be launched, the casinos already have an anti-dote for that system.

Did you notice that?

Everytime we go to casinos and have our own sheet/chart to record our shoe then we are leaving a trace to them what system we are using.

Look what happened to Mark’s Maverick. He literally opened his system to the casinos eye in the sky because of the extensive charting his system entails.

Casinos are not stupid. If we are studying them, they are studying us in advance also.

As of the moment, I could not post the modifications I made on S40 because 1) like I said, it will directly contradict our S40 Manual; 2) if it will not win for 3 consecutive month (60 playing games) then it means this is not a very good customized approach; and 3) after the Hollywood trip, our founders should have found already the solution/s on such hybrid shoes.

I don’t think F3 will solve the puzzle.

Right now, the only thing these modifications surpassed was the 40 straight games won by Sir Ellis using the original S40.

BK

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Definitely would like to see your approach then...sounds AWESOME!

To start with, I am using two progressions on this new approach.

U1D2M2 (23456...) and the Martingale prog (248).

If this is too aggressive for you then this approach will not benefit you.

Second, I do not rely on our O/R counts anymore.

Casinos already knew our maneuvers using the O/R count.

If you notice, they are starting to release lots of hybrid shoes on your country.

In Asia, these hybrid shoes are common occurrences to us.

Play in Macau or Singapore and you will see S40 will struggle.

Third, I use triggers to out-maneuver these hybrid shoes.

In this way, casinos could not easily detect the patterns of my bet placements.

This is the key to beating them consistently. NO chart, NO trace of our betting patterns.

They will be left scratching their heads.

Unfortunately, I can not post a play-by-play because this will expose my approach.

I can only give you some tips how you can develop your own system/approach.

The best systems are here at BTC. You should learn how to customize these systems to fit your style of play.

As for me, maybe I created something interesting. Something innovative.

I still have to prove to myself if this will hold on the long haul.

The goal is 3 consecutive months of consistent winnings.

Next week will be my first month.

Let's see what will happen.

BK

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To all following this thread,

I/We abandoned totally S40M as well as S40/S40A.

Not a good system to use in our country.

It really “sucks†on multi-trend (hybrid) shoes.

Me together with my other prof bacc players are applying what we call our TRIGGER SYSTEM.

We’ve been applying the system/approach since January 3, 2011 and so far, so very good.

It is designed to handle multi-trend (hybrid) shoes with ease.

I just don’t know if my group will allow me to post it here on BTC.

Copyright issues I guess.

Maybe I can post a few sample shoes using our approach in the future.

BK

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BK, it is definitely generous of you to do that but we respect your decision since you invented that system yourself.

But what really intrigues me is that you mentioned your base unit is 5 and stop at +50, which means you play only 10+ hands for each session or roughly 2 bets on 5 different shoes.

Now I would really love to see some sample shoes of yours! Ha!

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Bk......thanks for your input on how you are attempting to win over these trendless shoes you've experienced in your homeland. I've enjoyed over that last several months reading some of your newest ideas as well as some of the other you posted here prior to my arrival. I remember reading your System One and your Hit and Run methods. I believe you ran each system for 50 shoes each with losing a shoe. I guess at this point, I'm sad to say, that these well tested methods you worked with are no longer holding up based on what you've been saying. Unfortunately, this appears to be what happens in time with most of the systems posted here and in other baccarat forums. I know there was a guy by the name of Bryan over on the Baccart Forums who claimed to have a system of triggers which he was doing so well with. However, for whatever reason he tells everyone he has these triggers and he'd release them to whoever emailed him requesting them. I'm not sure if anyone ever really got them although some say they did. However, those who supposedly had knowledge of them said they didn't work. Baccarat is a game of opposites and repeats. That's all it comes down to. You hope to catch a string of or continuation of a streak or an opposite streak. No trigger or method has a high percentage of picking what the next hand is. Part of winning is unfortunately losing and you have to have more winners than losers. We hope to either get on one of these streaks or at least hope the very next bet we make will continue that streak or pattern for at least one more time. However, there is no trigger that can give a a higher chance of better than a 50/50 chance or actually slightly less of getting a win on the next hand. If you win, it's only because of luck. So I wouldn't be scared of letting out some trigger that's going to shut down the casinos. It doesn't exist. I wish I could do as you and win or lose 2 units and leave the table. I've got 2 tables going in my casino so I'd run out of places to go real quick. So whatever your trigger, you hold no advantage over anyone else whose playing streaks or whatever other system. You've got to be lucky your on the right side of that 50/50 bet and if you aren't, you're off that table real quick. You could have 5 or 10 streaks of 2 in a row. You'd say this is definitely a solid 100% chance of betting for a single to be a double next hand. It's still a 50/50 chance but you'd think you had the best chance in the world of winning that bet. You need to play what happens in most shoes and that's streaks of one kind or other. Hit them while they appear and get the heck out of there once you hit your profit goal for the shoe. Playing just a few hands in a shoe won't increase your chances of winning or losing. Discipline and good money mangement is a necessity along with some good luck. I wish you the best in your new endeavor and thanks for all your contributions to the forum..........Jersey

To all following this thread,

I/We abandoned totally S40M as well as S40/S40A.

Not a good system to use in our country.

It really “sucks” on multi-trend (hybrid) shoes.

Me together with my other prof bacc players are applying what we call our TRIGGER SYSTEM.

We’ve been applying the system/approach since January 3, 2011 and so far, so very good.

It is designed to handle multi-trend (hybrid) shoes with ease.

I just don’t know if my group will allow me to post it here on BTC.

Copyright issues I guess.

Maybe I can post a few sample shoes using our approach in the future.

BK

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I guess at this point, I'm sad to say, that these well tested methods you worked with are no longer holding up based on what you've been saying. Unfortunately, this appears to be what happens in time with most of the systems posted here and in other baccarat forums.

That’s my point.

Since almost all the systems/approaches that we are using here and on other forums failed on the long grind, what we did was we studied the flaws of each system to come up with a better one that will stand the grind.

Why did such systems failed?

One, the number of bet placements.

Too many bets, high risk of losses.

Two, when to switch.

If you will only rely on our OR (C/S) count then the system is already flawed.

Like I said, casinos know how we maneuver our bets using the OR count.

Third, trace.

The disadvantage of using a score sheet in tracking the trend of the shoe is we are leaving a trace of our system to the casinos for them to study.

Always remember this. Casinos are way too advanced. They will protect their billion dollar investments.

Also, I told this before on the forum. How sure are we that we do not have member on this forum that is not a casino employee (spy) who specializes on systems?

Come on man. The membership here will only cost you USD150-500. The other site is USD1,000. Books about baccarat cost USD150-200.

Yes the game (baccarat) is beatable but only if you know how to outwit the casinos on a daily basis.

Fourth, playing attitude.

Almost all bacc players reached 60 hands or more before deciding to quit regardless whether he won or lost.

This is human nature. Greed.

So we are focusing our approach to stand the whole 60 hands or more.

Also, since almost all systems will struggle on multi-trend shoes our approach focuses on such shoes.

Multi-trend shoes are common in my area of play.

We believe this is the new trend on card shuffle.

These were some of our considerations when we started developing our new approach.

Baccarat is a game of opposites and repeats. That's all it comes down to.

This makes the game beatable.

You only have to choose one side to win.

No trigger or method has a high percentage of picking what the next hand is.

I disagree.

All systems here at BTC can give you at least +2 unit win.

The problem is your exit plan.

When is enough is enough for you?

Part of winning is unfortunately losing and you have to have more winners than losers. We hope to either get on one of these streaks or at least hope the very next bet we make will continue that streak or pattern for at least one more time. However, there is no trigger that can give a a higher chance of better than a 50/50 chance or actually slightly less of getting a win on the next hand. If you win, it's only because of luck.

I disagree again.

If you believe that the 6/8 decks of cards are not random then luck has nothing to do with our bet placements.

The cards are already pre-arranged inside the shoe. All we have to do is catch the given trend of the shoe.

Be it a single trend (chop or streak all the way), double (chop at first then reverses to streak vice-versa) or multi-trend.

This is where systems/approaches come in.

Playing just a few hands in a shoe won't increase your chances of winning or losing.

Not if you have a very strong approach to the game.

Like I said, if you want to win consistently on baccarat you have to have discipline, patience and skills of the game.

Without these three you will just be another bacc player.

BK

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Hi BK, I agree with most of your post.

I'd like to emphasize the importance of SELECTIVE BETTING.

As I wrote in a previous post, actually I'm more selective with my betting placement.

Every shoe is weak (beatable) in a certain point: HIT'N'RUN dude!

When I comfortably earn 3-5 units in a shoe just waiting for the right spot with no effort, I'm done with it!

Then I sit out and, relaxed, wait for another good spot.

It's true that you can miss large gains but I'm satisfied with it!

Someone likes run the marathon, others 100 mtrs!

ciao

bacclover

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Hi BK, I agree with most of your post.

I'd like to emphasize the importance of SELECTIVE BETTING.

As I wrote in a previous post, actually I'm more selective with my betting placement.

Every shoe is weak (beatable) in a certain point: HIT'N'RUN dude!

When I comfortably earn 3-5 units in a shoe just waiting for the right spot with no effort, I'm done with it!

Then I sit out and, relaxed, wait for another good spot.

It's true that you can miss large gains but I'm satisfied with it!

Someone likes run the marathon, others 100 mtrs!

ciao

Right on Andrea!

As for myself, I like to walk at a fast pace!

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