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The Rumble in Vegas...CFC v BTC...It's time to get it on.


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It's time to let bygones be bygones and declare a "Detente" between "CFC" and "Beat The Casino" for our mutual benefit. 

We have two completely different schools of thought... 

One one hand we have CFC with it's total commitment to MNPs (Mechanical Negative Progressions) complete with Table Selection and it's reliance on mechanical O/R and SAP counts and choice of Mechanical System and betting every hand.

On the other hand, we have BTC moving totally away from Negative Progressions with it's inherent risks and either Flat Betting or utilising a version of Norm Allen's (RIP) 1 2 Loop. (Norm was BTC's first millionaire and multimillionaire player who started with $25 units and within two years was playing with $5K units) Norm played a system developed by himself and Papa Joe which he called "Follow The Shoe" with NO scary NP and only making selective bets. In the main, we have dumped SAP as "Old School" and have moved to a system of tracking combined events and separate Player/Banker events. Norm didn't use SAP as such but he used what he called "Unweighted SAP" and it sure worked well for him. We on BTC do have an advantage though in that Keith has given us the best Baccarat Practice tool on the net where we can play real casino shoes one hand at a time at our own speed. 

Back to the topic in hand...

I'm sure that there is room for the two schools of thought to coexist...Mechanical NP's for those who don't want to spend their valuable time learning all the variances of Baccarat and are willing to take the inevitable losses on the chin and those of us that are more "risk adverse" and are  prepared to put in the time and effort that it takes to learn how to "Follow the Shoe" with it's analysis of MC and LC events combined and separate... and also Recent MC and LC events combined and separate and don't feel comfortable with the higher bets required by NP's and being forced by a mechanical system to make what we know are "BAD" bets just because the MS tells us that we must make the bet.

I'm proposing that we put it to the test...

A meetup in Vegas...The BEST of CFC against the BEST of BTC

CFC  Players with their Mechanical Progressions v the BTC Players with their full statistical shoe analysis. 

Proposed BTC Team...

Team Leader...w2f

                       ...ct70

                       ...Kevin

                       ...Vinny

                       ...OzB)...and anyone else that wants to put their hand up...Keith?...Andrea?...Pando?...Brad?...etc

I will fly to the US specifically for the "Rumble"

 

We will cede Table selection to Ellis and the CFC players effectively giving CFC home ground advantage because we don't need it...We play what we see...

Our one request is that we play $500 minimum units which shouldn't be an issue as the CFC players claim to be playing Purple and above anyway and I'm taking them at their word... and $500 units won't be an issue to the experienced BTC Players. 

How about it Ellis?...This is the game that everyone wants to see. Are you and your people up for it?

No angst...No aggro...Just the "Best against the Best"...How cool would that be?

 

Just one thing that has to be said..."If $500 min units is regarded as too steep after 40 years of Baccarat then maybe you shouldn't be selling systems"...just saying

What say you people...Is this the "Rumble" that you want to see and would you want to turn up and watch?

The ball is in your court Ellis...what have you got to lose?

Oz

err...Is this where I mention that one of the nominated BTC Team has won over 270 units in the last week (5 sessions) just Flat Betting and Looping? :lol:

 

Just an addendum...The Player I referred to above picked up another 70 units today...That makes +340 units in six sessions without a losing shoe...That is seriously good Baccarat Play...especially considering that he is "guessing"...LMFAO

 

 

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Why don't we all just get together and play again in Vegas and not worry about what anyone else is doing?  The Lucky Dragon was very hospitable to us and gave us a private table and brought us food to the table etc.

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2 hours ago, JimmyBaccarat said:

I would take the time and expense to fly there to see, meet and rub elbows with the "Best of the Best"!

Hey who does this remind you of if I say you did rub elbows with the best you meet me at the Sands hahahaa

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21 hours ago, Keith Smith said:

Why don't we all just get together and play again in Vegas and not worry about what anyone else is doing?  The Lucky Dragon was very hospitable to us and gave us a private table and brought us food to the table etc.

Maybe because I want to test myself against those that claim to be "The Best"...I'm willing to put my reputation and money on the line... but we will know soon enough whether they are prepared to do likewise.B)

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One of our BTC Team hit his 7th winning day in a row yesterday betting no higher than 2 units with the Loop...over 400 units...Not bad...a few more years and he might be as good as me:lol:

Maybe that's why there appears to be a reluctance for CFC to engage in discussions on the "Rumble in Vegas"...sounds of crickets chirping...:confused:

 

BTW: I was taking the piss out of myself just in case you don't understand the Aussie sense of humour:)

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39 minutes ago, Blitz said:

7th winning day iar ?

How about 40 years mate ?!

6,7,8 prog

Millions man

 

Ahh yes...fond memories...The infamous CFC SECRET WEAPON...The Licence to print money...a secret known only to a select few...the 6 7 8 Progression...The Progression you play when you aren't actually playing a Progression...The day that went down in CFC history...The day Ellis discovered Flat Betting and Copyrighted it...:)

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14 minutes ago, Fedda said:

Hell yeah!! I volunteer as your waterboy!

Water is something I use only to brush my few remaining teeth...I would never think of actually drinking the horrid stuff (leastwise without scotch)...but we are on the lookout for a "beerboy" if you are interested?

I kinda had my eye on a beerbitch (BJH)from the UK but in these days of Political Correctness...probably not a good idea. And she definitely won't come if Dean is gonna be there. Hmm...I have a feeling that I could have phrased that better...but no matter...I'm right on both counts.:)

My apologies to BrianJohnsonsHat...but I couldn't let the opportunity pass...:) 

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17 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said:

the 6 7 8 Progression...The Progression you play when you aren't actually playing a Progression...The day Ellis discovered Flat Betting and Copyrighted it...:)

 

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45 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said:

Water is something I use only to brush my few remaining teeth...I would never think of actually drinking the horrid stuff (leastwise without scotch)...but we are on the lookout for a "beerboy" if you are interested?

I kinda had my eye on a beerbitch (BJH)from the UK but in these days of Political Correctness...probably not a good idea. And she definitely won't come if Dean is gonna be there. Hmm...I have a feeling that I could have phrased that better...but no matter...I'm right on both counts.:)

My apologies to BrianJohnsonsHat...but I couldn't let the opportunity pass...:) 

OI!! I thought I was gonna get some pompoms and do the cheerleading, never mind being your beerbitch, Mr Oz!!!

Gimme an O...

Gimme a Z...

etc...

(Not a pretty sight, I am of mature years lol)

You just can't help but tell everyone what I do with them near-naked pics of you-know-who, can you...my secret's out now, dammit...:oB)

 

 

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2 minutes ago, BrianJohnsonsHat said:

OI!! I thought I was gonna get some pompoms and do the cheerleading, never mind being your beerbitch, Mr Oz!!!

Gimme an O...

Gimme a Z...

etc...

(Not a pretty sight, I am of mature years lol)

You just can't help but tell everyone what I do with them near-naked pics of you-know-who, can you...my secret's out now, dammit...:oB)

 

 

You got my hidden meaning...You really got it...LMFAO

Two things though...Firstly... It is a sad reflection on you that you understand my twisted sense of humour...secondly ...re the pom poms...Thanks for screwing up my sleep patterns even more than they already are...:o

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9 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said:

You got my hidden meaning...You really got it...LMFAO

Two things though...Firstly... It is a sad reflection on you that you understand my twisted sense of humour...secondly ...re the pom poms...Thanks for screwing up my sleep patterns even more than they already are...:o

Spent a lot of time with folks from your part of the globe...that was after I got kicked out of the nunnery for being bad :o

Now where did I put them pom-poms...:confused:

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13 minutes ago, ralis560 said:

I am new to this forum and am considering joining. The monthly price is different than when I joined awhile back. 49.50 to 149.00?

As I understand the situation...The monthly price remains the same but due to so many people just paying one month's subscription and then downloading every bit of info on BTC, the powers that be instituted a one-off joining fee of $149 which I fully understand...still beats the shit out of the current "DISCOUNTED" CFC joining fee of $1000 (soon to be $3000) and $250/year thereafter. 

No contracts here...You can walk away whenever... unlike CFC where once you pay their $1,000 joining fee...they can ban you for any complaints or dissent with no right of refund. Trust me...It has happened to several players already. They simply have no ethics...  

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52 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said:

As I understand the situation...The monthly price remains the same but due to so many people just paying one month's subscription and then downloading every bit of info on BTC, the powers that be instituted a one-off joining fee of $149 which I fully understand...still beats the shit out of the current "DISCOUNTED" CFC joining fee of $1000 (soon to be $3000) and $250/year thereafter. 

No contracts here...You can walk away whenever... unlike CFC where once you pay their $1,000 joining fee...they can ban you for any complaints or dissent with no right of refund. Trust me...It has happened to several players already. They simply have no ethics...  

Hi yes but the $149 includes the firsts month subscription yes the "take everything and spam it all over the internet type player"  is a drag for us we want folks who stay and contribute to the club.  I try to strike a  balance what the costs of running the business and the development of the new tools. TYes there is no contract cancel anytime.  We did implement the tip sheet for the new players also that I send you hard copy in conjunction with @kachatz1 I invested in the Roulette tracker and analysis tool which I am going to include for any premium member also and it should be released in about a week.  

 

I am also trying to find a way to do more meetings in Casinos with players and mentors. I think it is a great way to win and learn.   If we can get enough players I would love to offer 1 a month.  

 

Hope to see you in the private forum @ralis560 and thank you @ozscouser1 .  If I can do anything for you please call or email me

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I understand the offer to play together in a real casino has been declined by Ellis/CFC.  Too bad -- it is always fun to join up with other players to beat the casino -- like we all did a few weeks ago in Vegas.

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YEs, we need to set one up for the East Coast.  It would be nice to do one on AC as I don't think we ever did a real one there.  McVince likes AC coming to the east coast soon?

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Hmmm...the phrase 'If the mountain will not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad must go to the mountain' springs to mind...

"Team Oz" needs to discreetly look to see when and where the next CFC play meet up is, then turn up at the venue, disguise themselves as pot plants or something...Ellis and compatriots come in and sit down at the tables...then Oz and his merry men all burst forth from their hiding places whilst shouting "S-U-R-P-R-I-S-E!" B) 

Ambush 'em. You can then all sit down and have a nice friendly game of bacc.

Problem sorted.

BJH.

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