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4 more from today. We played System 40 , Rd1 and F2 over the course of the two days. We friking murdered the casino as you can see. Ok we had a 47 in one column game which was unbelievable!

We're all tired and Elli sis going home tomorrow. We met some nice players, and dealers hopefully they will follow through and join us.

You can tell the winners and honest players by how many times they admit they lost 
not by how many times they say they won.

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Thanks for posting the shoes, Keith. One thing that really jumps out from them is the commitment to a system and then following it throughout the shoe; a comment that Ellis has made over and over again. Jumping systems is most often BAD. The couple of times you made your "course correction" you did it within the first few hands and stayed with it. Very educational. In the first group, S40 in shoes 1,3, &5; F2 in 2&7, and RD in 4,6&8. The second 3 shoes were all S40. Were you able to scout the table(s) before playing? How many tables did you have to choose from?

Thanks again,

Bill

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No they had 1 table. System 40 really killed the choppy game where we had the zig zag run.+47 is unheard of I am sure that is my biggest shoe win with a high bet of 5 or less.

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Thanks for posting the shoes, Keith. One thing that really jumps out from them is the commitment to a system and then following it throughout the shoe; a comment that Ellis has made over and over again. Jumping systems is most often BAD. The couple of times you made your "course correction" you did it within the first few hands and stayed with it. Very educational. In the first group, S40 in shoes 1,3, &5; F2 in 2&7, and RD in 4,6&8. The second 3 shoes were all S40. Were you able to scout the table(s) before playing? How many tables did you have to choose from?

Thanks again,

Bill

Good observations Bill. I would like to point out that we stuck to Advanced System 40. We played 40 right to the existing rules, including RD1, a few hands of RD2 and F2. Nothing else. I used a 234 when the table min was $10 and a 345 when the table min was $15. Stricktly $5 units. Made a total of $850 or 170 units in, I think, 10 shoes total. 170 units in 10 shoes with one loss of 5 units and one break even. My worst winning shoe was +10 with the rest in the 20s and 30s with one +45, down from +48.

I don't think the casino had ever seen performance like this before esp. with all the other players losing nearly every shoe. The Casino Mgr. asked us how we did that and wanted our cards. He was in shock.

I'm wondering if we should be discussing this under the System 40 Advanced thread. That is all we played????

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Ellis........something we've been waiting to hear from you for some time, and that is when, as you see it, do we switch from one mode of system 40 to the next. It would be nice to have some kind of general rules to go by. More to the point something in writing to give some discussion of system 40. Something possibly about SAP's or so many losses in a row look for X. Something the group can use to do actual shoes and get a discussion going on in here. We're dying. We started this discussion some time ago, and I thought I remember reading in about 12 days we would conclude it. But I think it's been months by now. I think it was called 4S at the time. What do you say?

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Ellis you shouldn't have left so fast i got one shoe in tonight. It shows how you have to hang in there to match to the game. I started with 40, then RD1 and hit them with F2. They didn't have any Baccarat cards!!

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Ha, the story of my life: Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Here is the trip report I posted on baccarat forums this morning:

Trip Report, Ellis 10/4-5/2010

I just returned from a 10 shoe trip with several of my students at the new Hollywood casino in PA. Nice casino BTW.

Our actual score cards are posted on my public forum for all to see. beatthecasino.com You can see exactly what we did. We played Advanced System 40 exactly to the rules and complete instruction posted on my private forum. For those who master it, it is the only system you will ever need. You can't learn it by studying the score cards. But precise instruction on Advanced System 40 is included with our System 40 manual.

Hollywood had only one of two Bac tables open. So we played with NO table selection whatsoever. The table min was $10 about half the time and $15 the rest of the time. We played ten shoes in 2 days. That was easy because they deal at a good pace. Plenty of time to enjoy their fine restaurant.

I started with a $300 bank roll. It turned out I could have got away with a $50 bank roll. I strictly played $5 units. I'll teach you how to legally do that in your instruction. My highest bet was only $25.

We lost one shoe at -5 units and had one break even shoe. Of the 8 winning shoes the worst was +10. The rest were all in the 20's and 30s with a highest shoe of +45 units. I ended up winning $850 after meals and commission. 170 units.

One of our guys won $1200 also playing nickel units but a slightly steeper prog.

The Casino Mgr signed one of our cards (W/O our even asking) and proclaimed it was the best Baccarat play he had ever seen. He even asked for a copy of our cards. He thought we were counting somehow. But we weren't. We played every play precisely to the posted rules.

The shoes were all over the place - some streaky, some choppy and some both as you can plainly see. It mattered NOT.

We drew a large crowd of spectators and we picked up several new members right there at the table.

None of the other players won and they were betting far mare than we were. They also drew no spectators.

Even the dealer asked to join our forum.

I played only $5 units because that is what most new players must play. I get complaints when I play $100 units in exhibition play.

Now, I recognize full well that the couple of naysayers here will say that ten shoes prove nothing. Well, it proves a lot more than the zero shoes THEY have posted.

Look guys, anyone who wants to can learn to do this. All we did is follow the rules. We knew exactly what to bet and where to bet it every single play.

I did make one stupid mistake: You will see that in the break even shoe I was at +23 in the first column. I never should have let it go below +15. Just goes to show you - stay alert at all times. Don't get over confident like I did. Shit happens.

To the naysayers I'll say this. When you can clear $850 after expenses in ten shoes W/O ever betting more than $25 then, maybe I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then, go pound salt! Luck, my ass.

BTW, I just got a phone call from Keith who was one of our players. He went back to the same table last night and played the same way I taught him. +36! He also posted that shoe.

Till next time.....

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But precise instruction on Advanced System 40 is included with our System 40 manual.

Where are those instructions? Are they found in the forum section or do you have to buy the system40 manual to get these summarized rules? I don't think they are included in the ordinary system40 manual from the download section.

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Fred

You should have the instruction in the private section. Each forum for each approach, RD 1 forum and F2 Rules. Are you an ongoing member. IF not let me know.

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Fred said: yeah, I'm an ongoing member. But I'm a little confused, are there any rules that says when we make the switch between system40, RD1 and F2? That's the hardest part I think. Maybe I have missed something here?

Ellis responds: Yeah, the rules and what system to play are all there several times over but they are scattered. I need to get them in one place. But the rules and system selection methodology has all been posted before. I didn't do anything new that has not been posted. We should probably take my above post and make a sticky manual with it so everyone can find it at any time.

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According to the post Ellis put on the public forum we have the rules. I'd like to have a link to them if someone knows where they are.

yeah, I'm an ongoing member. But I'm a little confused, are there any rules that says when we make the switch between system40, RD1 and F2? That's the hardest part I think. Maybe I have missed something here?
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Ellis........something we've been waiting to hear from you for some time, and that is when, as you see it, do we switch from one mode of system 40 to the next. It would be nice to have some kind of general rules to go by. More to the point something in writing to give some discussion of system 40. Something possibly about SAP's or so many losses in a row look for X. Something the group can use to do actual shoes and get a discussion going on in here. We're dying. We started this discussion some time ago, and I thought I remember reading in about 12 days we would conclude it. But I think it's been months by now. I think it was called 4S at the time. What do you say?

All good questions Jersey:

First, the name System 40 Advanced replaces 4S and is actually the same exact thing.

As you can see, I recorded no counts at all on the card because when you've been playing as long as I have, you really don't need the counts - you already know W/O them with just a glance at your circles. Recognize that the only time you need SAP is to decide when playing basic System 40 when to bet OTR. With experience you will also know when to get off OTR W/O benefit of SAP. We were not seeing long straight runs so I ALWAYS stayed OTR for ONLY ONE winning bet. That was right every time except once when Keith stayed OTR and the damn run went to 8 or 9. Made me look like an idiot.

But I got even with him later when I could see in one shoe to switch from RD1 to RD2. That paid off nicely for both of us because he switched too and sure enough it was a sporadic 1 as I had suspected.

OK, first I decided on 40 vs the streak systems RD1,2 and F2 based strictly on what was ahead Ops or Reps. I don't need an OR count to do that but you guys should still fill in your O/R count.

If the shoe favored Ops I played basic 40 keeping track of LC per the posted rules. That was the easy part.

The harder part was when the shoe favored Reps because then I had to decide between RD1 and F2.

Here is how I decided:

RD1 hates 1's while F2 likes 1's. So 1's made that decision for me in every case.

RD1 likes straight runs following straight runs while F2 likes straight runs with single or multiple 1's between the straight runs. So I let the shoe make that decision for me based solely on that information.

F3 never came up but I was ready for it if it did. In F2 you are leary of 2s because the losing pattern is a 2 on the wrong side followed by a 3. But that problem never came up when we were in F2 mode and it usually won't because it is quite rare in streak favorable shoes. You see it more when you are playing 40 but it doesn't matter then.

RD1 is slightly trickier. I selected RD 1 in streaky shoes with LOW ONES. But one shoe started with straight runs following runs but then started showing 1's between the straight runs. So I reacted by switching to RD2, then F2.

But clearly the vast majority of the time our first decision after the game start was the correct one. So:

In a + shoe always play 40. It is almost impossible for 40 to lose a + count shoe.

In strteak, decide between RD! and F2 per the above.

We played no 40N (Net bet) because every shoe clearly favored chop or streak.

Also note the 234 and 345 progs. I think we clerly demonstrated that you don't need to get as aggressive as a 123 to win. Look at it this way a loss of 345 is only 12 units. You make up for 3 lost bets with only 4 winning base bets of 3333. but playing a 123 it takes you 6 winning base bets to make up for a 3 bet loss.

The whole secret is to choose the system that wins the MOST base bets. Then a 345 or a 234 makes perfect sense.

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Oh, before somebody asks what's the difference between RD1 and RD 2???

RD1 you bet 2 losing repeats before going to an opposite

RD2 you bet Op after one losing repeat like F2.

Or in other words:

RD1 you bet across after 1 losing repeat.

RD2 you bet down after 1 losing repeat.

The reason to switch from RD1 to RD2 is Rd 1 loses to sporadic 1's while RD2 beats sporadic 1's.

It gives you a way to switch from RD1 to F2 after only ONE losing bet instead of waiting for 2 or 3.

Sound familiar now? We've covered this before.

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Is RD2 different from F2?

No, its just a way to switch to F2 faster when you start seeing 1's all the sudden. F2 likes 1's and RD1 hates them. The sooner you switch the better.

Maybe it would be clearer to say when you see you need to switch from RD1 to F2, do it after ONE losing bet instead of waiting for 2 or 3 losing bets.

You would switch from RD1 to F2 when you start seeing 1's instead of runs following runs.

I think this only came up once in the 10 shoes.

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On RDH while on a zz pattern, after you have the isolated 1, you bet straight down from you last losing bet, which in effect keeps you betting for the zz's. On RD1 you keep betting for a repeat of the last bet. Now what's my prize. A free copy of your baclkjack system? LOL

Aaaah, I think you got that backwards. RD1 bets straight down when you lose the bet under a 1 or a 1,2.

What does RDH do?

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