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Were you there? Has anyone spoke to anybody that attended?

Hi Everyone,

Well, I hate to be the one to break the ice but I know from the past how anxious I've been to hear some results so here goes...

It didn't go very well for those of us strictly playing MDB+ we pooled our money and got into a new shoe at Aria with Ellis and Art playing. Things went south and we lost the progression. Others that were playing other beat the casino methods on there own did better. We left Aria and went to a couple of casinos that didn't have high limit baccarat and then went to Caesars. Had to wait a little while to get on a $100 table and unfortunately we lost our progression again.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news and really sorry we lost but after that we didn't Chase our losses and we went to Flamingo and some played NOR and Veeman went to high limit room on his own and won $600 using MDB+ so definitely a big Congratulations to him!!

Sorry I don't have better results report...

Maybe now that the ice has been broken others that were there can give there opinions. Met some great new friends so that's something anyway.

Best Regards,

Jim

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Thanks Jim. Sorry to hear that. Could you please post the cards so we could see how the shoes played out? Thanks.

Hi Everyone,

Well, I hate to be the one to break the ice but I know from the past how anxious I've been to hear some results so here goes...

It didn't go very well for those of us strictly playing MDB+ we pooled our money and got into a new shoe at Aria with Ellis and Art playing. Things went south and we lost the progression. Others that were playing other beat the casino methods on there own did better. We left Aria and went to a couple of casinos that didn't have high limit baccarat and then went to Caesars. Had to wait a little while to get on a $100 table and unfortunately we lost our progression again.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news and really sorry we lost but after that we didn't Chase our losses and we went to Flamingo and some played NOR and Veeman went to high limit room on his own and won $600 using MDB+ so definitely a big Congratulations to him!!

Sorry I don't have better results report...

Maybe now that the ice has been broken others that were there can give there opinions. Met some great new friends so that's something anyway.

Best Regards,

Jim

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Hi Everyone,

Well, I hate to be the one to break the ice but I know from the past how anxious I've been to hear some results so here goes...

It didn't go very well for those of us strictly playing MDB+ we pooled our money and got into a new shoe at Aria with Ellis and Art playing. Things went south and we lost the progression. Others that were playing other beat the casino methods on there own did better. We left Aria and went to a couple of casinos that didn't have high limit baccarat and then went to Caesars. Had to wait a little while to get on a $100 table and unfortunately we lost our progression again.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news and really sorry we lost but after that we didn't Chase our losses and we went to Flamingo and some played NOR and Veeman went to high limit room on his own and won $600 using MDB+ so definitely a big Congratulations to him!!

Sorry I don't have better results report...

Maybe now that the ice has been broken others that were there can give there opinions. Met some great new friends so that's something anyway.

Best Regards,

Jim

I played MDB+ on the crawl and had slightly different results than what Jim described. I played MDB+ in a total of 8 shoes this trip: 2 shoes before the crawl; 4 shoes during the crawl; and 1 shoe after the crawl, winning 6 shoes and loosing 2 shoes.

Pre Crawl

Aria +8

Aria +2

Aria -5

Crawl

Aria +4

Aria -3

Caesar’s +3

Flamingo +4

Post Crawl

Aria +5

The above are MDB+ results and exclude some companion playing I did on a couple of the shoes with small (10-20% of my MDB+ unit size) bets. I didn’t track those bets very well, but based on cash count, I lost a few hundred $ on the small bets. Also excluded from above was a Crawl stop at Palazzo where I messed around with a stupid Bac machine with a live dealer, losing about 2 ½ units. I excluded that play as I didn’t follow MDB+.

I could be wrong because I was sometimes playing a different table, but I don’t think Ellis/Art ever lost a progression. I don’t remember seeing them ever getting to a 4 unit bet which would signal the end of a progression. We played the same first table at Aria. They left the table just before a string of winning bets which allowed me to exit with a profit. At Caesar’s we played different games. With a higher unit size I did not have to wait for the $100 table to open. I did see the tote board for their game, and it looked like a game that gave very few MDB+ signals. It was also one of the old style very large tables, so the game was going at a snail’s pace. At Flamingo, the pooled players played a mini-bac game, and 3-4 of us played a touch game (with regular 8 box cards!) in the high limit room. We had a really good MDB+ table. After the crawl, a few of us went back to Aria to play and have dinner. There was one shoe we all played together which was a really nice +5 MDB+ win. I had to win two progressions in that shoe with a 4 unit bet, which is a bit more excitement/stress than I prefer, but the MDB+ progression wins way more often than it loses.

One of the best things about these gatherings is being able to interact and play with other BTC players. Keith was a great host and the idea of having transportation to get around to multiple casinos is great. Hopefully we all learned something that will make us better players and better prepared to deal with the risks of the game. For me, losing 2 shoes was a good experience because it hasn’t happened yet with MDB+. I have seen lots of tote board where I could see the progression would lose, but never found myself in one of those games until this trip. Like anything else, MDB+ will have losing shoes and days. But it is also looking like one the most consistent winning approaches I have seen. You need discipline to not over play the shoe and a sufficient bankroll so you can comfortably and confidently make those 4 unit bets, and you need to trust the power of the math behind MDB+ -- it will deliver regular and consistent wins.

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Well done Way2fast.

A quick calc gives you around 13-15 units.

With the MDB million goal table, that's exactly on point.

Great job!

All the time you spend crafting expert Bacc knowledge shines through. The most important lesson for all the rest of us, particularly if we weren't able to attend, is to keep studying and practising until we can operate with similar confidence in our results.

Chief

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I do not post much on the forum. I would also like to add that it is gambling. It is not a 100 % win all the time. If it was, everyone would be doing it and there would be no casinos in business. I have been playing MDB + at Parx in PA and have had tremendous success with it. There are a few things in the rules that I don't agree with and my play dictates that. I could almost guarantee that if you took 10 shoes and added up your winning shoes and subtracted your losing shoes you will be up. And that is what it is all about, being up more than you are down. I was very scarred over the results of the 4D debacle. I will tell you this, as scarred as I was with the 4D is as excited as I am with the MDB+.

I played MDB+ on the crawl and had slightly different results than what Jim described. I played MDB+ in a total of 8 shoes this trip: 2 shoes before the crawl; 4 shoes during the crawl; and 1 shoe after the crawl, winning 6 shoes and loosing 2 shoes.

Pre Crawl

Aria +8

Aria +2

Aria -5

Crawl

Aria +4

Aria -3

Caesar’s +3

Flamingo +4

Post Crawl

Aria +5

The above are MDB+ results and exclude some companion playing I did on a couple of the shoes with small (10-20% of my MDB+ unit size) bets. I didn’t track those bets very well, but based on cash count, I lost a few hundred $ on the small bets. Also excluded from above was a Crawl stop at Palazzo where I messed around with a stupid Bac machine with a live dealer, losing about 2 ½ units. I excluded that play as I didn’t follow MDB+.

I could be wrong because I was sometimes playing a different table, but I don’t think Ellis/Art ever lost a progression. I don’t remember seeing them ever getting to a 4 unit bet which would signal the end of a progression. We played the same first table at Aria. They left the table just before a string of winning bets which allowed me to exit with a profit. At Caesar’s we played different games. With a higher unit size I did not have to wait for the $100 table to open. I did see the tote board for their game, and it looked like a game that gave very few MDB+ signals. It was also one of the old style very large tables, so the game was going at a snail’s pace. At Flamingo, the pooled players played a mini-bac game, and 3-4 of us played a touch game (with regular 8 box cards!) in the high limit room. We had a really good MDB+ table. After the crawl, a few of us went back to Aria to play and have dinner. There was one shoe we all played together which was a really nice +5 MDB+ win. I had to win two progressions in that shoe with a 4 unit bet, which is a bit more excitement/stress than I prefer, but the MDB+ progression wins way more often than it loses.

One of the best things about these gatherings is being able to interact and play with other BTC players. Keith was a great host and the idea of having transportation to get around to multiple casinos is great. Hopefully we all learned something that will make us better players and better prepared to deal with the risks of the game. For me, losing 2 shoes was a good experience because it hasn’t happened yet with MDB+. I have seen lots of tote board where I could see the progression would lose, but never found myself in one of those games until this trip. Like anything else, MDB+ will have losing shoes and days. But it is also looking like one the most consistent winning approaches I have seen. You need discipline to not over play the shoe and a sufficient bankroll so you can comfortably and confidently make those 4 unit bets, and you need to trust the power of the math behind MDB+ -- it will deliver regular and consistent wins.

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I played MDB+ on the crawl and had slightly different results than what Jim described. I played MDB+ in a total of 8 shoes this trip: 2 shoes before the crawl; 4 shoes during the crawl; and 1 shoe after the crawl, winning 6 shoes and loosing 2 shoes.

Pre Crawl

Aria +8

Aria +2

Aria -5

Crawl

Aria +4

Aria -3

Caesar’s +3

Flamingo +4

Post Crawl

Aria +5

The above are MDB+ results and exclude some companion playing I did on a couple of the shoes with small (10-20% of my MDB+ unit size) bets. I didn’t track those bets very well, but based on cash count, I lost a few hundred $ on the small bets. Also excluded from above was a Crawl stop at Palazzo where I messed around with a stupid Bac machine with a live dealer, losing about 2 ½ units. I excluded that play as I didn’t follow MDB+.

I could be wrong because I was sometimes playing a different table, but I don’t think Ellis/Art ever lost a progression. I don’t remember seeing them ever getting to a 4 unit bet which would signal the end of a progression. We played the same first table at Aria. They left the table just before a string of winning bets which allowed me to exit with a profit. At Caesar’s we played different games. With a higher unit size I did not have to wait for the $100 table to open. I did see the tote board for their game, and it looked like a game that gave very few MDB+ signals. It was also one of the old style very large tables, so the game was going at a snail’s pace. At Flamingo, the pooled players played a mini-bac game, and 3-4 of us played a touch game (with regular 8 box cards!) in the high limit room. We had a really good MDB+ table. After the crawl, a few of us went back to Aria to play and have dinner. There was one shoe we all played together which was a really nice +5 MDB+ win. I had to win two progressions in that shoe with a 4 unit bet, which is a bit more excitement/stress than I prefer, but the MDB+ progression wins way more often than it loses.

One of the best things about these gatherings is being able to interact and play with other BTC players. Keith was a great host and the idea of having transportation to get around to multiple casinos is great. Hopefully we all learned something that will make us better players and better prepared to deal with the risks of the game. For me, losing 2 shoes was a good experience because it hasn’t happened yet with MDB+. I have seen lots of tote board where I could see the progression would lose, but never found myself in one of those games until this trip. Like anything else, MDB+ will have losing shoes and days. But it is also looking like one the most consistent winning approaches I have seen. You need discipline to not over play the shoe and a sufficient bankroll so you can comfortably and confidently make those 4 unit bets, and you need to trust the power of the math behind MDB+ -- it will deliver regular and consistent wins.

Right, I didn't get home until 3AM Tues. I had wondered if I could survive another Vegas trip. But you know what - I feel a whole lot better now than I did before I left. All that walking in Vegas really did me good - a lot of good. So much good that I'm going to start a daily walking program - in fact I already started. You'd think I'd had already done this before but it was a 6 mile hike at Ohare airport that got me in trouble in the first place so I had figured that walking was out of the question - but fortunately I was wrong. Walked many miles in Vegas and by Monday I no longer needed my cane.

Well, for most of us the trip started out horrible. We all chiped in a $200 Bank. Art and I played for a group of 11 or 12. And we lost the first 2 shoes and almost the entire bank. I was suicidal at that point. But then the other guys who had not joined our combined bank - they all did exceptionally well even at the $200 tables.

Way2fast is correct. We never lost a progression in either shoe - that wasn't the problem. The problem was those two shoes just didn't give us any bet opportunities. Hey, if you lose 5 1 bets - you're still at -5 - game over. It didn't help me much that the other unknown players in those two games lost thousands.

What really bothered me is that both of those shoes were perfect time before last shoes. Had we simply switched to TB4L we would have hit +20 in both shoes. But our hands were tied. We had agreed to play MDB+ ONLY. How could I have been so stupid? I've told you guys a ZILLION times - NEVER decide what system you are going to play before the shoe starts. But damn it - thats just what we did. Lesson learned. The 5 unit losses - that was bad enough. But to sit there trying to play MDB+ while TB4L would have easily made +20 units - that was a horrible mistake and I of all people should have known better. That mistake turned 20 unit wins into 5 unit losses. I was miserable. But then I heard from the other guys who had play4ed different tables than us and they all did just fine.

Art was totally convinced that it was just plain bad luck selecting the wrong tables since he had won so many shoes at home. So he played MDB+ Sat night and won every shoe. Then every shoe again Sunday morning. So then, Keith and I finally decided to bank Art Sunday afternoon. We all tripled our money and my confidence returned.

So Sunday night we went downtown where I could play traditional hand dealt, hand shuffled BJ - my first love and the game I learned on back in the '80s. I played some single deck, some 2 deck, some 4 deck, 6 deck and even 8 deck. I beat every table I played.

So MDB+ came through with flying colors after a real bad start and then, like always, BJ came through. Hey, whatever ends well. I just wish we could have started out better - just pure bad luck of the draw with a little stupidity to boot.

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Ellis, one or two winning or losing shoes does not a system make. MDB+ and NOR are both winning systems. No one knows more about baccarat than you and you have supplied us with winning tools such as MDB+ and NOR amoung others. I believe in you and the forum that you have built for all of us. I have had more winning shoes than loosing shoes since joining BTC forum. I have a MUCH better understanding of the game. Let's all move forward continuing to learn and share. Speaking of sharing: I have attached an MDB+ score card that my boyfriend Dr.Ken designed for me. I hope it helps others too. Good luck to all of us!!$$$$$:smile:Ken's Baccarat Score Card.docx

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Hi Ellis,

Can you please give us your full result with how many shoes played, units win/loss per shoe and your final results for the Vegas trip playing MDB+? It will give us a better idea as to whether to continue with this system or not.

Aside from this, what's the next step?

Thanks,

Baccplay

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Hi Ellis,

Can you please give us your full result with how many shoes played, units win/loss per shoe and your final results for the Vegas trip playing MDB+? It will give us a better idea as to whether to continue with this system or not.

Aside from this, what's the next step?

Thanks,

Baccplay

Sure:

MDB+ played 20:

Lost 3 at -5: all 3 losses were touch games (new preshuffled) Wish I had played NOR these 3.

Won 17 averaging +8 - all were no touch (used preshuffled) Glad I wasn't playing NOR these 17.

NOR - played 5 and won 4.

The losing shoe was -5 and the 4 winners averaged +7.

Again, unfortunately 2 of the 3 MDB+ losers I was playing the combined bank. I should have played NOR those 2 shoes but a deal is a deal. One of those two I should have played S40M1 - would have hit +20. There wasn't a single 2 in the entire shoe.

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I've found that you can always use MDB+ to trigger no bet situations.

Was playing regular MDB last night. My casino uses preshuffled shoes, but they can be biased at times. The shoe was OTB4L. I played by the book, but once I successfully won on 4 2iars, I stopped betting that 2s will stay 2. Turns out there were 6 2iars without a 3+. Yea I would have won more but why risk it.

I did the same on another shoe. Again OTB4L. I successfully won on 4 3iars. This time instead of not betting I decided to make those MDB+ bets that 3iars will go to 4+. Again it was 6 3iars before a 4+. So I won the progression for another unit. Again I would have won an extra unit betting with 3's, but why risk it... It's prob more of a sure thing betting against it at that point.

Plus around the time that the events in your base system start changing (MDB+ kicks in)... that's when everything goes downhill. (Unless you switch. But I never did well switching)

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