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I know this site has lots of posts but I am trying find sample shoe runs for OTB4L, F, S40 and 4D. I found one on TB4L which was helpful. I am more of a hands on type and reading so many posts can get tiring. Just post links to these sample runs here. I really want to know how others handle OTR and progressions.

Thanks in advance

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I know this site has lots of posts but I am trying find sample shoe runs for OTB4L, F, S40 and 4D. I found one on TB4L which was helpful. I am more of a hands on type and reading so many posts can get tiring. Just post links to these sample runs here. I really want to know how others handle OTR and progressions.

Thanks in advance

You might have missed the train :) , All of Ellis attention now is on MDB + , Each time he comes up with something new he creates new doors , and you know what that means , to go thru that door you pay more money :) . you want to see some real shoes join MDB + .

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Ok well then I am stuck....guess I should have just joined MDB. After all the NOR manual is from 2011, you think it would have been updated since with all the "new" ideas in last couple years. I wont be joining MDB if I cant get the basic NOR working...

I am sure throughout these threads there are some sample plays I can find and work with.

I can say for sure a number of shoes I watched in AC (full tables) would have fell hard to what the basic manual said. All Bac tables in AC are pre-shuffled cards.

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Ok well then I am stuck....guess I should have just joined MDB. After all the NOR manual is from 2011, you think it would have been updated since with all the "new" ideas in last couple years. I wont be joining MDB if I cant get the basic NOR working...

I am sure throughout these threads there are some sample plays I can find and work with.

I can say for sure a number of shoes I watched in AC (full tables) would have fell hard to what the basic manual said. All Bac tables in AC are pre-shuffled cards.

The point I am making now is you rarely see new shoes since MDB + has started.......Make sure you read Nor a couple thousand times to understand what you are reading, cuz Its like WINDOWS SUPPORT around here "Once a new version comes out on a baccarat system ,no more support on the current version of baccarat" . unless you put out more money :) That way you can go deeper down into the rabbit hole .

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I know this site has lots of posts but I am trying find sample shoe runs for OTB4L, F, S40 and 4D. I found one on TB4L which was helpful. I am more of a hands on type and reading so many posts can get tiring. Just post links to these sample runs here. I really want to know how others handle OTR and progressions.

Thanks in advance

mceight8,

Are you just looking for "samples" of what each one looks like or are you looking for previously played shoes that have those particular events in them?

Making up a "sample shoe" with all of the previously mentioned events should take all of three minutes.

Or am I completely off track here?

MVS

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The point I am making now is you rarely see new shoes since MDB + has started.......Make sure you read Nor a couple thousand times to understand what you are reading, cuz Its like WINDOWS SUPPORT around here "Once a new version comes out on a baccarat system ,no more support on the current version of baccarat" . unless you put out more money :) That way you can go deeper down into the rabbit hole .

Fair go Topstep1, that's a fairly cynical and jaded statement. There's nothing like this forum. Personal instruction from the best guy in marketing costs you around $5000 an hour. Personal instruction from Ellis on this forum and MDB is chicken feed. I can understand a new member being a bit bewildered - there's a heap of information to learn if you want to get good at this. But pretending that there's no support if you don't convert (which to me is simply a smart thing to do once you have gotten your head around the basics) is disingenuous and just plain not true.

Just go to the summary board for this area alone and - let alone the constant contributions from Ellis - look at the contributions from great players such as way2fast, gman, ozscouser, MVS, kachatz1 to name only a few (and I can name many more that have certainly helped me to grow and learn) and you can see the immense benefit that is at your fingertips here and unrivalled in the bacc community.

Here's an example: I wanted to understand a tote board term that I hadn't encountered before that I saw at my casino. I googled the term and found another bacc forum that spent five pages explaining the importance of how you 'squeeze the cards'!!!! Could you imagine the devestation wrought by casino friendly sites that propagate a culture and tradition of how to finesse an element of the game that HAS NO BEARING!

Mceight8 send me a PM and I'll do my best to help with some shoes if that's presenting a difficulty for you. We're all here to help. Just remember that this is HARD WORK and the harder YOU work the luckier you'll become.

Chief

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Fair go Topstep1, that's a fairly cynical and jaded statement. There's nothing like this forum. Personal instruction from the best guy in marketing costs you around $5000 an hour. Personal instruction from Ellis on this forum and MDB is chicken feed. I can understand a new member being a bit bewildered - there's a heap of information to learn if you want to get good at this. But pretending that there's no support if you don't convert (which to me is simply a smart thing to do once you have gotten your head around the basics) is disingenuous and just plain not true.

Just go to the summary board for this area alone and - let alone the constant contributions from Ellis - look at the contributions from great players such as way2fast, gman, ozscouser, MVS, kachatz1 to name only a few (and I can name many more that have certainly helped me to grow and learn) and you can see the immense benefit that is at your fingertips here and unrivalled in the bacc community.

Here's an example: I wanted to understand a tote board term that I hadn't encountered before that I saw at my casino. I googled the term and found another bacc forum that spent five pages explaining the importance of how you 'squeeze the cards'!!!! Could you imagine the devestation wrought by casino friendly sites that propagate a culture and tradition of how to finesse an element of the game that HAS NO BEARING!

Mceight8 send me a PM and I'll do my best to help with some shoes if that's presenting a difficulty for you. We're all here to help. Just remember that this is HARD WORK and the harder YOU work the luckier you'll become.

Chief

Don't get me wrong ,this is the best site on the web, I'm pretty sure MDB + came about because y'all were whining about the number of units you had to risk instead of doing your homework and figuring it out, so Ellis is catering to the masses as far as risk v. reward . Me ,I'd rather just play s40 combined with some of his systems from 20 yrs ago and I still avg 10 to 15 units a shoe. Everybody wants to dance and dont pay the DJ , I have no problem paying ,but just from the MDB + webinar a couple of weeks ago ,I have a strong feeling I already have MDB SYSTEM triggers and one of the triggers he uses already KNOW ,and I learned that just from practicing and playing everyday, except I don't call them triggers I call them NUANCES which you should have figured out by studying your shoes that you bring home from the CASINO . So Yes if you never played baccarat before you have a lot to learn and this is the website to learn it on, Also one thing you might want to really get into is the THE PSYCH OF THE GAME , BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK ITS A HARD SHOE JUST STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE BOARD, ITS NOTHING BUT S40 ALL DAY LONG, sometimes you might want to wait for 3 in a row then start betting or after you have been on the run for 4 or 5 in a row start betting against the run. look at your SAP, it says a lot . I was using 4D and the conclusion I came back to was S40 .....THE BEST ..... Much respect for DR.ELLIS .........PLAY ON

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Ok well then I am stuck....guess I should have just joined MDB. After all the NOR manual is from 2011, you think it would have been updated since with all the "new" ideas in last couple years. I wont be joining MDB if I cant get the basic NOR working...

I am sure throughout these threads there are some sample plays I can find and work with.

I can say for sure a number of shoes I watched in AC (full tables) would have fell hard to what the basic manual said. All Bac tables in AC are pre-shuffled cards.

Hey, MC

NOR doesn't do the work for you, any more than trying to use a screwdriver when only a hammer can possibly be right for the task at hand.

The longer you play, the more you understand the need for vigorous practice, disciplined betting decisions and adequate bankroll deployment.

In short, YOU DO THE " HEAVY LIFTING" @ the casino in order to win consistently...." The System" is but a tool to enable you to get the job done.

Call me anytime 850-687-3128 and I will help you figure out for yourself how close playing Baccarat can be to something you are already well versed in. Once you can relate it to your everyday life, it will seem much simpler to understand , NOR, progressive betting, Etc.etc

Eventually, the lightbulb will go on and you can cancel the appointment with the electrician....( so long as you don't go to the casino without being " well-grounded", or without enough on/off switches and cable to complete the size job at hand...)

Good luck to you, and keep the faith....just don't try to learn everything with your real money at stake...or you might get " electrocuted" before even getting started.

Kevin

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. All Bac tables in AC are pre-shuffled cards.

Is this true? Factory preshuffled cards? If true this is BIG news! MDB+ has achieved the highest performance records in the history of gambling againt live Las Vegas new factory preshuffled touch games. What you are saying is we could now do the same thing in A.C. - my ols stomping grounds.

But I want to be sure: Do new cards now come to the table in a factory sealed 8 deck bundle?

If so, they are in fact factory preshuffled - which would make good sense since Vegas casino profits went up with factory preshuffled.

Or, do the cards merely come to the table in an open tray - meaning they are regular cards that were prepped away from the table.

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Ok well then I am stuck....guess I should have just joined MDB. After all the NOR manual is from 2011, you think it would have been updated since with all the "new" ideas in last couple years. I wont be joining MDB if I cant get the basic NOR working...

I am sure throughout these threads there are some sample plays I can find and work with.

I can say for sure a number of shoes I watched in AC (full tables) would have fell hard to what the basic manual said. All Bac tables in AC are pre-shuffled cards.

Does anyone have a link for the 6 sample games that works? If not, I'll try to get Keith to repost them. And if that fails, I'll have to make up new samples.

There have been no changes to the NOR manual and there never will be. Ha, except maybe to put the sample games back in it.

But there have been additions:

As you already know, we added TB4L for streaky shoes with low 2s. That leaves F for Strong Side shoes only.

We also figured out that the OR count is a better way to determine mode. A + or 0 OR count is Mode 3. A - OR count is Mode 2.

This helps in those shoes where the mode keeps switching back and forth.

When you try to go by history you could be wrong every time.

But if you go by the OR count, you are right most of the time.

I guess we could call that an improvement to the NOR manual.

BTW MC, welcome to the forum!

Do you plan to play AC pretty much exclusively?

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Does anyone have a link for the 6 sample games that works? If not, I'll try to get Keith to repost them. And if that fails, I'll have to make up new samples.

There have been no changes to the NOR manual and there never will be. Ha, except maybe to put the sample games back in it.

But there have been additions:

As you already know, we added TB4L for streaky shoes with low 2s. That leaves F for Strong Side shoes only.

We also figured out that the OR count is a better way to determine mode. A + or 0 OR count is Mode 3. A - OR count is Mode 2.

This helps in those shoes where the mode keeps switching back and forth.

When you try to go by history you could be wrong every time.

But if you go by the OR count, you are right most of the time.

I guess we could call that an improvement to the NOR manual.

BTW MC, welcome to the forum!

Do you plan to play AC pretty much exclusively?

Hi Ellis and my fellow Casino Conquerors,

Can I just clarify - you know how I get a mental block when it comes to modes for some stupid reason - if the rule is, as stated above, OR count 0 or Plus = Mode 3 and OR Count Minus = Mode 2, how does Mode 1/TB4L fit into the mix?

Just trying to get it straight in my head.

Thanks again, and if anyone can add to the conversation, I'd really appreciate it as I seem to struggle with this one simple aspect.

Cheers

Chief

PS Loved the story about the Claridge Ellis! Keep 'em comin! Along those lines can I ask you about your best day at a casino, and also your worst day? What did you learn from each? To be honest, I'd like to start a thread called 'Fireside Conversations with Ellis' that contains your experiences and memories. Very instructive for those of us that learn contextually... and always appreciate a damn good yarn! (particularly if it's at the casino's expense!!)

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...But there have been additions:

As you already know, we added TB4L for streaky shoes with low 2s. That leaves F for Strong Side shoes only.

We also figured out that the OR count is a better way to determine mode. A + or 0 OR count is Mode 3. A - OR count is Mode 2.

This helps in those shoes where the mode keeps switching back and forth.

When you try to go by history you could be wrong every time.

But if you go by the OR count, you are right most of the time.

I guess we could call that an improvement to the NOR manual.

...

Hi Ellis and my fellow Casino Conquerors,

Can I just clarify - you know how I get a mental block when it comes to modes for some stupid reason - if the rule is, as stated above, OR count 0 or Plus = Mode 3 and OR Count Minus = Mode 2, how does Mode 1/TB4L fit into the mix?

Just trying to get it straight in my head.

Thanks again, and if anyone can add to the conversation, I'd really appreciate it as I seem to struggle with this one simple aspect.

Cheers

Chief

PS Loved the story about the Claridge Ellis! Keep 'em comin! Along those lines can I ask you about your best day at a casino, and also your worst day? What did you learn from each? To be honest, I'd like to start a thread called 'Fireside Conversations with Ellis' that contains your experiences and memories. Very instructive for those of us that learn contextually... and always appreciate a damn good yarn! (particularly if it's at the casino's expense!!)

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I attched a blank run from Ballys. I added the OR count to the third column.

What I am hoping is to get at least S40, F, OTB4L runs for this. I started an S40 run but got stuck on how to handle the OTR situations. In fact thats what we really only need to know, how to handle these losses correctly.

for my S40 run starting at play 2 I bet opposites S40M3:

Bet ChipCount

1 -1

2 -3

3 0

1 -1

2 -3

3 -6

I stopped here cause I think normally we would just walk. But I would like to see if this is the correct way to play S40M3 for this...

If anyone with experience could give me an OTB4L run to help with handling any losses would be nice. I wil do this myself and could compare how I am applying the NOR strategy...

Thanks for any who help

M

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I attched a blank run from Ballys. I added the OR count to the third column.

What I am hoping is to get at least S40, F, OTB4L runs for this. I started an S40 run but got stuck on how to handle the OTR situations. In fact thats what we really only need to know, how to handle these losses correctly.

for my S40 run starting at play 2 I bet opposites S40M3:

Bet ChipCount

1 -1

2 -3

3 0

1 -1

2 -3

3 -6

I stopped here cause I think normally we would just walk. But I would like to see if this is the correct way to play S40M3 for this...

If anyone with experience could give me an OTB4L run to help with handling any losses would be nice. I wil do this myself and could compare how I am applying the NOR strategy...

Thanks for any who help

M

Seems the problem is you started at the beginning of the shoe without having information to pick your system. S40M3 will not do good against a 34 pattern. I'm sure Ellis will have some wisdom on on this shoe, but I would note that this is an awesome MDB+ shoe (as are 93% of all shoes so far). Although the shoe is only 45 hands, MDB+ makes 9 bets and finishes +6 units. All without worrying about shoe starts or switching systems.

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Hey Kevin, are you still using Net Betting U1D1 in Vegas? I'm curious how that's working out???

Yes.

Not all shoes, but especially when I spot a shoe with lots of 1's, 2's and 3's and few ( or no runs of 4 or more...)

Also, a P/B count that hovers around +3 to -3 is one of my " signals"

See lots and lots of these shoes at The Gold Coast, as well as early am hi- limits shoes at Aria and MGM...Mandalay Bay also seems to have a good number of them as well

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