Atreyu Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Ellis,Will you be continuing on the SAP/RSAP 124 thread and discussing how to bet SAP and RSAP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Ellis,Will you be continuing on the SAP/RSAP 124 thread and discussing how to bet SAP and RSAP?Yes, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users cookie0410 Posted May 7, 2015 Users Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 What's the delay? If SAP/RSAP is already created why don't we post the rules in full so players can start testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users bighorn Posted May 7, 2015 Users Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 What's the delay? If SAP/RSAP is already created why don't we post the rules in full so players can start testing.Is the SAP/RSAP already created? We've been waiting for quite sometime already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted May 7, 2015 Users Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I would say SAP / RSAP is not a mechanical system its an approach so its not just as simple as post rules and play. I think that's why Ellis is taking time so hopefully people can understand the whole concept and can at least so far record a SAP count properly while playing at casino speed.The rules are not really that hard - record a SAP count properly work out which events is occurring more than others and which is occurring less than others then bet on the MC keep happening and stay away from the LC.Use MC to know when to get OTR and LC to know when to get OFFTRIf the count is fairly equal then use RSAP - bet that it stays equal so if there is a slight bias on 1 event bet that it will not keep producing that event straight away without others.Use flat bet or 1,2 , or 1,2,3, or 1,2,4, or 1,2, 5 progressions.How good is that? A high hit rate with flexible progressions form flat bet up to aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 That's an excellent summary Brad01It really isn't rocket science once you know how to work the SAP/RSAPregardsPandoI would say SAP / RSAP is not a mechanical system its an approach so its not just as simple as post rules and play. I think that's why Ellis is taking time so hopefully people can understand the whole concept and can at least so far record a SAP count properly while playing at casino speed.The rules are not really that hard - record a SAP count properly work out which events is occurring more than others and which is occurring less than others then bet on the MC keep happening and stay away from the LC.Use MC to know when to get OTR and LC to know when to get OFFTRIf the count is fairly equal then use RSAP - bet that it stays equal so if there is a slight bias on 1 event bet that it will not keep producing that event straight away without others.Use flat bet or 1,2 , or 1,2,3, or 1,2,4, or 1,2, 5 progressions.How good is that? A high hit rate with flexible progressions form flat bet up to aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Dazza Posted May 8, 2015 Users Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Can't wait to see the rules an how to play this method step by step. Thanks Dazza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted May 8, 2015 Users Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Hey Pando, just Brad man. 'Brad' was taken on usenames when I signed up.Hows NZ treating you?Do you watch UFC? Mark Hunts fighting in Adelaide on Sunday.Really loving this SAP thing man its effective and really ties in with MDBMDB doesn't work great for Australian casinos as they machine shuffle the cards every time before play.OTBL seems to be quite regular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Hi BradThanks for the replyIts been a bit patchy here in Auckland. There seems to be quite a lot ofNOR type shoes lately, long runs more than there should be. So not always MDB+ friendly as much as it was. But as Ellis says, they change theshoe type to get the best results for the casino.Just to confirm with you, are you saying that in Perth they use a continuousshuffling machine, the rounded shaped one that sits on the table.I really need to know about this as I am keen to play in Australia but I needto know their process first.Have you played anywhere else in Aus, if so can you tell me how they dealthe shoes.Many thanks and enjoy the fightcheersPando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted May 8, 2015 Users Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 I watched them the other day. My eyesight is very poor and I hate glasses so hard to see but the cards come in white pack with small red logo in centre.Every time they change them the dealers have to write something on the box and they reach for their id cards - not sure if they have stickers to id them or? maybe when they change dealers they have a record of who started previous shoe?Then I heard 2 Asian players ask the dealer about the cards and he said 'they come already shuffled but then we shuffle them again'They have this setup where the cards get put in a tray and it goes down below the table and gets shuffled I guess. you cant see them and then they alternate between red and blue cards while one is in play the other is below getting shuffled. they press a button and it pops up shuffled.So you cant see the machine but all blackjack tables and other card games use 1to6 shuffle machines on the tables.Oz says don't play blackjack with those machines. not sure why? are they impossible to beat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted May 9, 2015 Users Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 The question is what do those shuffle machines do? Why are the beneath the table? Is it to save space or? It would have cost a lot of money to set those up - alternating decks with auto raising / lowering trays all with automatic shuffle sequence programmed and timed.Do they shuffle randomly according to a program sequence or do they have recognition abilities to put them in a determined order?At the end of the day who cares what they do as soon as the cards go in the shoe its set.Getting back to the purpose of this thread SAP counts determine whether to bet normal SAP or RSAPIs it showing a bias of events?If so which is MC or LC?Bet with the MC and against LCIf you choose to go OTR then get on before or after LC stay on until or around MCIf the bias keeps changing then get a few wins, and look for the change and start again.Is the SAP count equal or fairly equal?Wait for a few same events in close succession and bet that those events wont keep occurring and the SAP count will go back to equal or close to equal.Unless its the start of a bias occurring from random which will screw your theory so be ready to jump on that bias too.Flat bet or 1,2 or 1,2,3 or 1,2,4 or 1,2,5, or U1D1 or U1D2 whatever you prefer.The point is use SAP to choose high % bets.The most important thing as always do your research on the casino and look for the same things happening and even then choose the best tables of a known good casino if possiblePlay the highest % bets of the best tables of the best casinos and don't settle for anything lessThat's the theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodel808 Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 Is anyone here knows where I can find a sample shoes for RSap?Or can someone explain what is RSap please...thanks team!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted August 6, 2015 Users Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 SAP is keeping a count to determine the frequency of events - 1's, 2's, 3's, 4+'sThe count is weighted to be able to interpret easily10 2 4 0This count shows 1's is most common (MC)4+'s is least common (LC)If you were playing SAP you would bet 1's will stay 1 and 3's will stay 3 - betting with MC and against LCRSAP is the reverse - bet against 1's and bet with 4+'s occurring The question is - is the shoe biased meaning play SAP, or is it more random - play RSAPThe other question is has the SAP count gone as far as it will in one direction and then it will now head the other way?Then by the time you get a good read on it the bias is already exhausted so would you play RSAP now?Practise using SAP count and experience will tell you.In my opinion and some others on this site SAP count can only be used as a guide or another tool and it is not the be all and end all for making decisionsThe problem with it is its a running count and by the time you get a read on it the shoe may have changed.I will try to post an example of RSAP play if I get time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted August 6, 2015 Users Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 The one good thing about SAP that HAS worked for me, is that 100% of the time, one of the columns (1,2,3 or 4) When one of the columns approaches the 20 mark start betting that that column will go to 20. You can do the count in your head. If anyone does SAP, look at your records. You will see that AT LEAST ONE of the columns will go to 20. SAP is keeping a count to determine the frequency of events - 1's, 2's, 3's, 4+'sThe count is weighted to be able to interpret easily10 2 4 0This count shows 1's is most common (MC)4+'s is least common (LC)If you were playing SAP you would bet 1's will stay 1 and 3's will stay 3 - betting with MC and against LCRSAP is the reverse - bet against 1's and bet with 4+'s occurring The question is - is the shoe biased meaning play SAP, or is it more random - play RSAPThe other question is has the SAP count gone as far as it will in one direction and then it will now head the other way?Then by the time you get a good read on it the bias is already exhausted so would you play RSAP now?Practise using SAP count and experience will tell you.In my opinion and some others on this site SAP count can only be used as a guide or another tool and it is not the be all and end all for making decisionsThe problem with it is its a running count and by the time you get a read on it the shoe may have changed.I will try to post an example of RSAP play if I get time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodel808 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Now I understand...thanks team really appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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