Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 26, 2015 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (Or, For you ladies, the best looking guy)We're all aware that a certain someone is writing THE LAST TESTAMENT of baccarat.And perhaps it will become the next best thing to the HOLY GRAIL that , up until now, never existed....But like U2 says, with or without you...We talk in circles about this MDB rule, that NOR mode, this SAP, there's a SAP, everywhere a SAP/SAP..So why doesn't BTC have a baccarat-card-sized "cheat sheet" we could carry into any casino, and refer to as often as we want, during a game?All the right MDB " triggers"NOR made simple.SAP.4D EZS40, OTBL, etc. for dummiesPredicting Ties.Predicting Dragons.Progressions 1-2-4, 1-2-2, 1-3-2-6, etcBring the card to the casino.Refer to it oftenWin.Things change, we change/update the info.Am I asking too much?Would you dare to admit you have never thought of this, just didn't know how to git'er'done? Hey, we get out of this what we put into it.I'll make the card, you all help me with the input."Tommy, can you hear me?"Look, boys and girls, this is not tiddlywinks.This is real money, and likely many, many among us will be all over that other "baccarat how to" .....and for all of our sakes, it will add to the collective universe of baccarat knowledge.But for now, YOU have paid the price of admission to BTC, which is where we are at right this moment,and we owe it to ourselves to maximize our " collective ROI", the tuition we've paid.Certainly, like I have ( and will) you are free to invest in any and all other " casino investment strategies" which have, or may come along...especially those which you believe will benefit you personally and financially.Look, less than 50 years from now it's dust-to-dust for just about everyone on the forum...and for those who used to be.In the meantime, there's money to be made from simply summarizing in one place what you've already paid for access to!!Let's WORK TOGETHER NOW to do something that's never been done...Call it " the best damn baccarat cheat sheet ever" ( or what-ever!)...it's NOT a manual, It'll be the size of a Baccarat card...ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ( the size of a baccarat card?)Y.E.S.All made possible because of what you've already paid for on this forum, it's archives, and other " public information" that's already out there in the baccarat universe...( it's not cheating...it's just the brightest minds ever played the game actually collaborated on something for their mutual benefit...)Kind of like that little card you purchase for Blackjack Basic Strategy in the casino gift shop for $1.99Only this one will be far more comprehensive, and we can update it as we want...Am I missing something, Keith?Do you still want this forum to be called BEATTHECASINO?Or?Since you , Keith will be needed to help make this all possible, I'll leave it up to you...YAY. or NAY.It's your call.And if you decide NAY, so be it. ( But now that it's out of the closet, somebody's gonna' do it...sooner, rather than later...)Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users LittleJim Posted August 26, 2015 Users Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Good idea, Here is a card MDB+.1 – 3 2’s w/o a 3 Inb. Bet next 2 goes to 32 – 4 2+ w/o a 1 Inb. Bet next 1 stays a 13 – 3 3’s w/o a 2 Inb. Bet Next 2 stays a 24 – 3 3’s w/o a 4 Inb. Bet next 3 goes to 45 – 2 Indep. Z’s runs of 3 Bet next 3 goes to 46 – 2 Indep. Z’s Runs of 4+ Bet next 3 stays 3Lilttlejim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 26, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 This is exactly what I mean...people like LJ getting involved and we " slice and dice" the rules into a format...a modified BTC CODE , if you will of " reminders" how to play, what to look for in a given game..."Sounds easier than it might be, to reach a simplified format which could be printed out and simply taken into the casino for use at the table...And I'm sure some people will worry that the evil casino police will get a hold of it and use it against us, right?Ha!You think they don't already know this stuff?Maybe they call it something else...maybe they have their own " codes", but doesn't it ever surprise you how few baccarat dealers actually have any idea of how to actually play the game, other than to say " look at the tote board, it's a guessing game"?For NOR, maybe something real simple like :P/B 11111211 S40 P/B 12223222 OTBLP/B 435424. F Add a simple, shorthand version of explanation of modes ?The simpler, the better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Good idea, Here is a card MDB+.1 – 3 2’s w/o a 3 Inb. Bet next 2 goes to 32 – 4 2+ w/o a 1 Inb. Bet next 1 stays a 13 – 3 3’s w/o a 2 Inb. Bet Next 2 stays a 24 – 3 3’s w/o a 4 Inb. Bet next 3 goes to 45 – 2 Indep. Z’s runs of 3 Bet next 3 goes to 46 – 2 Indep. Z’s Runs of 4+ Bet next 3 stays 3LilttlejimHmm, your card looks amazingly like my card!Yes, I do use the cheat sheet when working with MDB as it's still not my "go to" method of play, but it's getting closer.MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted August 26, 2015 Users Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I think a cheat sheet could be a good idea.I like your approach Kevin, we can never learn too much about the game or stop learning or trying new things - that is why you win at the gameIt would be easy to say you can win with 5D and stop at that but you don't One day I hope to get to the level you have reached at this game.But yes a cheat sheet could be a good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted August 27, 2015 Users Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Hmm, your card looks amazingly like my card!Yes, I do use the cheat sheet when working with MDB as it's still not my "go to" method of play, but it's getting closer.MVSI have one too! Made it a week ago. LOLWhere's the other 3 rules?CT70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Of everyone who regularly contributes, Brad01 would make Carly Simon proud ( NobodyDoesItBetter), or for you James Bond lovers..the theme song of THE SPY WHO LOVED ME movie...The " cheat sheet" concept WILL NOT TEACH YOU NOR, 4D, MDB, SAP, betting progressions, etc.That is the " job " of the forum...frankly, if you don't know this stuff, the " cheat sheet" might do you no good...Steve S. , and Keith, are responsible for manuals, refresher courses, bootcamps, videos, etc...THEY the go-to guys for that stuff...BUT:Have you ever walked into a grocery store with a " list of items" to buy, and after paying and walking out, you say to yourself..." Oh, I forgot this, I forgot that."? ( that's why you make a list...)Have you ever had a meeting with your Boss-man, ready to ask for that raise, only to forget a few well- rehearsed " why give me a raise" points, and afterwords you are kicking yourself for forgetting? ( that's why you rehearse in the first place, even to the extent of making note-cards...)Have you ever met somebody you really want to connect-with again, only to misplace their phone #? ( that's why you write the number on your hand in indelible ink...)OK, enough of the analogies, KA!Yet, these are real world things we all wish we could improve upon...You folks get what I am talking about...So, you want to never, ever forget the many " strategies" you need to have at your fingertips to truly BTC @ Baccarat??Well, help me with the cheat-sheet concept, and you won't...And promised, a HUGE RETURN on your investment of a little bit of time helping me+you, help others less experienced...( and helping YOU in the process!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted August 27, 2015 Users Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I forgot to mention, I keep a copy of my card on my phone (in photos). I think this is much more inconspicuous than pulling out a card every 5 minutes in a casino environment. That might get too much attention. On the other hand, EVERYONE looks at their phone all day long so it would not seem unusual. After all, who knows what we are looking at. For all they know its an email or a text message. Moreover, that's a card you never want to lose, let alone, in a casino.CT70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Good input, CT!( we don't want to get " grilled", or " barbecued"...even if they call it The Hustler casino...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOU30 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Another great idea Kevin, as you said its just a refresher card...How about a simple colour coded NOR chart...We can use any colours...maybe traffic light ,Green,Amber,Red something everyone can relate to.Put the mode changes on as well...Just an idea.(Modified with modes) L / Loss@ / After= / Change Mode Edited August 28, 2015 by LOU30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 LOUWow!This is what we get when we put our minds together!!!Thank you so much for participating...I cannot do this alone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 So this one might throw you for a loop...Very,very few people know this, but now you will...Just like in Craps, where after the 2-die total of 7, 6 and 8 are the most common result....wellllllllllllllll,In Baccarat, more than half of the ties are 6-6, and 7-7Yup, read that again...A majority of the ties are 6-6 and 7-7And having played the game pretty much, (like a whole bunch?), pay close attention and sometimes you will see this for Banker/Player results ( in Sequence)B/P 6/9,8/7,3/7,6/4,7/5...( take a look, you'll see...)All those 6's and 7's...hmmmn, whatsoever should I do?Guess what....THAT is when you start " predicting" ties, THAT is when you bet on the BANKER 3-card 7Just sayin' ... Maybe, just maybe , you didn't know that...Shhhhhhhh!(We'll add it to our Cheat Sheet..)Just don't tell anyone...HA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted August 29, 2015 Users Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 When I joined this site it was the general consensus that ties were the worst bet in the casino occurring 1 in 10 and paying 8 to 1Also dragon bets etc were a novelty betI was surprised when I saw you betting on them Kevin and since I started looking into it they actually don't seem like such a bad betEspecially if you can increase your chances by predicting them to a higher accuracy.In the short time I've played the game I have noticed ties on 6's seem to occur more than anything else and if you say 7's as well then I've no doubt your rightI've actually never lost money on tie bets with a progression since I started playing them.Its much like a zero in roulette which you play as insurance bet or when they keep coming up or the spinner hits that sectionAlso there are guys that play a few numbers straight up and usually come out ahead so suppose its the same.Yes we should add that to cheat sheet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Hey, BradNOT espousing we make our living off of TIES...But AM saying that we put our heads together, we are much better than solitary...I appreciate you, and knowing you will be helpful to THE CAUSE...which is simply to put in one place all the systems, Betting progressions, tricks-of-the-trade, etc...and on a baccarat sized card you can take with you to the casino...or, as CT70 prefers, on his smart phone...Not trying to create a play-by-play manual.Somebody else will do a far better job at that than we might...But..a Baccarat Cheat Sheet?For the game already has the best odds in the casino?Now we're talking something real, real valuable...Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted August 29, 2015 Users Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Yes for sure.The challenge will be what to put on as much as what to leave out.Not even sure where to startAs you say - easier as a group effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Somebody's ears must have been burning..Played a shoe at Red Rock this evening...6...count'em 6 ....3-card Banker 7's ( 40-1 dragon) in first 39 handsMost I have ever seen in one shoe.Even more " amazing", 4 of them were by a score B7,P6...including Back-to-back 2 dragons IARMost fun thing was after 2 Dragons in first 13 hands, I convinced woman playing next to me to make a Banker Dragon bet every single hand thereafter...she won all four of the others!( oh, I should tell you she bets Banker pretty much every hand...)Strange, I know...but look for those 7's and 6's coming out in bunches...I do not advocate rampant play on Ties or Dragons...in fact I would argue against doing same...But tonite?just sayin'At least might warrant an honorable mention on our Cheat Sheet( Now,if I could just translate that into improving my golf game...3 chances of THAT happening...slim, fat, and none)But Rubee's got us covered on the bases...Hmmmn...things are definitely looking up here...Good luck to you all, wherever you play.Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Yes for sure.The challenge will be what to put on as much as what to leave out.Not even sure where to startBradCan't possibly fit all possible play-by-play suggestions/methodology on a gard, even one the size of a standard BAC card...But I'm 100% sure we can make this Cheat Sheet so good, that we can help people all over the world be the best they can be at the game...Still have to know HOW to play the various systems, progressions, etc...but think how much you forget every time you play...me, included, and I consider myself pretty handy with the Baccarat toolbox...Still hoping for lots more input on this...I want it to be a team effort, so it will be the best we can make it...As you say - easier as a group effort.Let's do this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 KevinI have a problem with F. It has been my experience that F of course likes runs and but more specifically repeats. But furthermore, F is actually a system that bets the strong side bias unless it sees a repeat of two or three on the other side. It has been my experience to simply bet straight repeats rather than F. Of all the approaches we use I have never seen anyone really saying much about a great win with F and if they did straight repeats or F1 would have done better in most cases. I think do to the fact as really after watching and deciding to play F, it's a crap shoot if it's f2 or f3. Sure we can ask is it random pre-shuffled, or box order etc, but really would simply repeats work just as well. Your Thoughts?KeithAnother great idea Kevin, as you said its just a refresher card...How about a simple colour coded NOR chart...We can use any colours...maybe traffic light ,Green,Amber,Red something everyone can relate to.[ATTACH]3440[/ATTACH]Put the mode changes on as well...Just an idea.(Modified with modes) L / Loss@ / After= / Change Mode Quote Join us in Vegas for the Back to Vegas Seminar at the Crescent Dealer's School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOU30 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Hey Kev,Found this nice piece on SAP should fit the cheat card pretty good!REMEMBER guys you should have a strong understanding knowledge of SAP already... SAP... 1,s LC = Bet RPT, 1,s MC = Bet OPP 2,s LC = Bet RPT, 2,s MC = Bet OPP 3,s LC = Bet RPT, 3,s MC = Bet OPP (EXCEPT when 4+,s are higher. If 4+,s are higher,DON'T consider 3,s MC. OPTIONAL ( For a STRAIGHT 4 +,s MC stay OTR until you lose...)Regards Lou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOU30 Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 That,s a good point Keith...That is why your the boss!When you make the final card Kevin make F into F/SS for which ever option the player decides to play.Thanks Keith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 KevinI have a problem with F. It has been my experience that F of course likes runs and but more specifically repeats. But furthermore, F is actually a system that bets the strong side bias unless it sees a repeat of two or three on the other side. It has been my experience to simply bet straight repeats rather than F. Of all the approaches we use I have never seen anyone really saying much about a great win with F and if they did straight repeats or F1 would have done better in most cases. I think do to the fact as really after watching and deciding to play F, it's a crap shoot if it's f2 or f3. Sure we can ask is it random pre-shuffled, or box order etc, but really would simply repeats work just as well. Your Thoughts?KeithTo me, F can be either single strong- side, like P5241624Or, it can be both sides lots of " repeats.."Like P54453346Not so sure about the modes for F, are they really meaningful, as likely would have to switch a lot of times in the same " sequence"Mostly Keith , appreciate your input as we need all BTC long-term players to weigh-in on their experiences so we produce the best resulting Cheat Sheet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trillion Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Don't forget to use TBL when the shoe is low in 2,s, I always look at the shoe that I am playing and do a SAP count and play what is happening over the last 4 events. This could be used instead of F as long as the shoe is low in 2,s.To me, F can be either single strong- side, like P5241624Or, it can be both sides lots of " repeats.."Like P54453346Not so sure about the modes for F, are they really meaningful, as likely would have to switch a lot of times in the same " sequence"Mostly Keith , appreciate your input as we need all BTC long-term players to weigh-in on their experiences so we produce the best resulting Cheat Sheet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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