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You won't experience this shonky crap on this site because this site is not about selling systems (though there are several tried and tested available). This site is about players helping players navigate the nuances of Baccarat.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the more you are charged for a system or to attend a Seminar...the better your chances of winning or you may find yourself in the same boat as this somewhat disgruntled would be Baccarat Player from another site who most likely outlaid over $1250 for the privilege off getting scammed.

May 10, 2017 at 10:26 am#4657

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It's done the long-awaited final word.  My opinion the 24 pages are much less than was promised, and it appears to be a piece of crap.

 

Don't say that you weren't warned

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I could not agree more with that statement.  The best teacher I ever had, shared the truth of..."it's one thing to know what to do, and quite another matter in knowing HOW to.  The teacher/leader, mus

Absolute rubbish...it was two shoes playing red and green. The question has to be asked...Why would you be still be playing red and green chips after playing an invincible system for several days

I think Ellis is too experienced and too smart to believe it.  He would tell you its what his students want (a simple system that plays every hand), so he is just a system designer fulfilling a demand

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Actually BigChips it sounds like they really kicked some ass in Vegas this week.   Ellis said they cleaned out the tray using his new ANB system.  Just maybe he's got something worthwhile with that?

 

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On 5/13/2017 at 0:49 PM, mtman said:

Actually BigChips it sounds like they really kicked some ass in Vegas this week.   Ellis said they cleaned out the tray using his new ANB system.  Just maybe he's got something worthwhile with that?

 

 

Absolute rubbish...it was two shoes playing red and green.

The question has to be asked...Why would you be still be playing red and green chips after playing an invincible system for several days?...I wouldn't bother getting out of bed to play Red and Green FFS!...and why are there no reports on any other shoes played?

I've tested ANB myself hoping that it might work because the thought involved in the way I play just tires out my brain sometimes. 

Read my lips..."ANB IS NOT WHAT IT IS MADE OUT TO BE!"...It loses as many shoes as it wins and can hit your STOP/LOSS as quick as any system I've ever tested.

I make my living playing Baccarat and I refuse to waste any more time testing ANB...but rest assured..."IF YOU PLAY ANB LONG TERM...YOU WILL LOSE AND LOSE BIG...IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF...ONLY A MATTER OF WHEN!"

If you want to piss your money up against a wall ...go for it...but don't say that you weren't warned.

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I agree OZ  100%    Scary way to be playing.   Only tested in one casino   on a few trips  and many at home and online free play casinos,   Using mvd  and anti mvd   works but,  here is the catch.   With progressions,  it becomes like and,  shit.   But,  if played flat bet only,  those shoes you lost playing it progs  struggles  thru the tough spots and still wins.  Another catch is mvd and anti  is best played  win 4 or 5 units,  quit, on to the next table.   Another catch is,  mvd does not win 70% of shoes  and anti mvd wins the other 30%.   It is more like 50% of shoes are mvd and 50% are anti mvd.  And some days, some shoes  might be mostly mvd shoes   other days or tables might be mostly anti mvd shoes.  Another catch is  those two methods can not be played as was suggested,  to start right after  two events have completed.  No! No! No!!!    many times after two events complete   It looks like mvd,  you start betting  and it becomes anti mvd.  I call most shoes false starts   It happens to Nor or any system.  Best with mvd and anti mvd  is  let 3 or 4+ events go by,  not too many,  then it will be clear  to start betting mvd  or anti mvd  and flat bet and  quit as soon as you are up 5 or 4 units.   4 units is safer and gets you onto another table sooner.   The more table selection you have, the more you can do per hour.   But, anb?    I would NEVER play that.   Try it at home  the way I explained,  wait after 3 or 4 or 5 events to decide mvd or anti, flat bet,  quit at + 5  or +4 units, onto next table.  Sometimes  it will be a struggle and take 20 or more plays. A lot of the time you hit your stop win goal in 4 or 5 bets.  Mvd and anti with progs in the RIGHT shoe can win 20, 30, 40 units. But most shoes are not going to be the RIGHT shoe.  And with flat betting it,  it can last nicer thru rough sections.  Progs you get killed in rough sections. Mvd and anti is great but,  not the way it was taught

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Exactly!!!!    I would be embarassed putting on a seminar with many people playing red or green    The only reason for doing that and not playing blacks or purples is   (A),   You don't have much money   Or   (B)   You are not very confident in your system

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MvD can have a high hit rate, but mostly later in the shoe.  I find it works better when you use it to confirm your NOR bet.

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1 minute ago, BigChips said:

Exactly!!!!    I would be embarassed putting on a seminar with many people playing red or green    The only reason for doing that and not playing blacks or purples is   (A),   You don't have much money   Or   (B)   You are not very confident in your system

 

I'm thinking (A) and (B) 

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you mean oz, toasted  ytoasted your brains out trying out ANB, I was there from Monday-Wednesday,  the whole day,they didn't show their asses.well,maybe dean (tuesday midnight) in his ragetty outfit and a couple of top gun cohorts (hair gone from figuring out ANB) of ellis.Besides, why would Ellis stay up late night? well as soon as dean showed up I cashed out with my winnings and never bother to witnessed ANB! 

One more thing, Sunday why play stadium baccarat Sunday at palazzo with ANB? Are you embarrassed that ANB didn't worked? where's proof of your winning scorecards?

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2 or 3 shoes means nothing in the grand scheme of things...we have heard it all before and corroboration from the usual suspects who can tell you what colour underwear Ellis wears each day doesn't cut the ice.  There were several independent witnesses in Vegas and they couldn't catch up with Ellis. I wonder why that is?

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Another thing that is faulty that Ellis teaches is  what the first few plays of a shoe did or the first two events will tell you what system to start playing.  NOT!    Can you imagine if that were true?  If players see it is true, the casinos see it also.  Then that would mean the casino would say the beginning of every shoe tells you how to play that entire shoe  and will win and will be correct 80% of the time    Lol   Another thing that is faulty that he teaches   Is   The sap  count and O/R count  early in a shoe......    same as above    Best way to play is after so many plays have gone by or mid or late shoe    Forget using negative or pos progs   Flat bet   And quit when up a few units    On to next table.   Now you avoid oscillation in the game.    You are up 5 units   Then zero   Then up 2  then zero   Then you lose your buy in.   Quitting every shoe at +5 units or a few  eliminates  this  very common in ALL shoes  oscillation

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I agree...It's sheer idiocy to be betting after the first hand...3 to 4 completed events at a minimum and SAP really comes into it's own mid shoe...

We do have a lot to thank Ellis for...The scorecard...OR count...SAP(a brilliant concept)...NOR...RD1...etc

Unfortunately...He also gave us Negative Progressions with their inevitable consequences and a mindset that Baccarat can be beaten with minimal effort.

ANB may prove to be a winner long term but not without a lot of tweaking and the starting procedure of betting after the first hand is beyond stupid. There are way too many obstacles for ANB despite the Hype... and it needs to be used only in the right situations. 

After I tested several shoes and experienced the probs, I didn't bother playing whole shoes...just the starts which enabled a more comprehensive study. I was hitting unrealistic STOP/LOSSES way too often. 

Naturally...Ellis's disciples will defend him to the hilt but their opinion is hardly a good recommendation. Offhand I can't think of one that I would let place a bet with my Mother in laws money...Einsteins...they ain't.

 

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I agree OZ..... I re-read his trip report and was a little shocked to read about him and his cfc boys playing read and greenchips, and the guys that were copying his bets played black and took them all.   Hell if I had an "invincible" system, I would damn sure be playing black and purple, if not purple and yellow/orange!

why in the hell is Ellis playing for peanuts when he supposedly has the keys to the city?!!   I think you are right Big Chips and OZ.....maybe a combo of a and b.

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm!   Lol

 

 fwiw, I do give credit to Ellis for teaching me how to play this game and win consistently.... I just wish he would find that damn holy grail someday!   Lol

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4 minutes ago, mtman said:

I agree OZ..... I re-read his trip report and was a little shocked to read about him and his cfc boys playing read and greenchips, and the guys that were copying his bets played black and took them all.   Hell if I had an "invincible" system, I would damn sure be playing black and purple, if not purple and yellow/orange!

why in the hell is Ellis playing for peanuts when he supposedly has the keys to the city?!!   I think you are right Big Chips and OZ.....maybe a combo of a and b.

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm!   Lol

 

I'm pretty sure that the Chip Tray on a $10 min Table only has $70K all up. The Dealers at any half decent Casino don't even blink at a single $50K bet and are hardly likely to have a massive anxiety/panic attack over several players taking them for $70K in a whole shoe. No doubt they figure that they'll get it all back (and then some)...and they will most likely be right.

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Here is the problem for the newer members who are thinking to themselves, "Maybe he has it and I need to switch forums" or " I will purchase the ANB and do both forums"

The advice you get from any of the accomplished players on this forum have a few things in common:

THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH EVERY "CAN'T MISS" SYSTEM THAT ELLIS COMES UP WITH EVERY SIX MONTHS OR SO. 

It really gets nauseating when Ellis uses his "Cookie Cutter"  jargon as he describes his latest and greatest scheme to extract money from unsuspecting people who just want to learn the game.  

I reviewed the FW and I find it hard to believe that it was written by a person with an alleged 160IQ.  If you are writing a manual, rule #1 is that you need it to be as detailed as it can so a three year old can understand it.   As with all of his other manual, it is difficult to follow.  

For entertainment purposes, I monitor the public area of CFC.  As with most of the players who are on to Ellis, I have been banned from the private forum (Being banned is sort of an accomplishment because you are perceived as a threat).   Here is what everyone needs to know:

COOKIE CUTTER JARGON

  • "WE HAVE BETTER PA/ROI THAN A CARD COUNTER".
  • "HELL, WE TIP MORE THAN THAT". 
  • "THE CASINOS HAVE CAUGHT UP TO US, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE PLAY"

The one thing all this jargon has in common is that it was used for MDB, RSAP, LCNB, MvD and now ANB.   Also, I think it is virtually impossible to clean out a tray betting red and green.  The final thing to mention is that the casinos are not even concerned in the slightest over the guys betting red and green.  Ellis is not even a blip on their radar but he is acting like a whale they fly in to play.  Please all,  don't fall for it. 

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Well said Vinnie and I couldn't agree more.

I can't believe the excitement generated by playing Reds and Greens...seriously...these guys sound like they were pissing their pants(Ellis included)...Childish amateur behaviour and I would have expected more from Ellis at least. (Reading between the lines..."Oh shit...we are actually winning...I wasn't expecting that...LOL")

I pride myself in not showing emotion when I play ...WIN or LOSE...but just to make each play as the shoe dictates...and I'm definitely not playing Reds and Greens. I hit the Table Max once (only time ever in my career) and the only words I said as I tallied my chips were when I replied to the "Bosses" encouragement to keep riding my luck ..."Do I really look that stupid?"  In retrospect...very unprofessional of me...but "HEY"...I'm old...you gotta make some allowances.

 

Just to reiterate...even "He who must be worshiped and adored" admits that ANB is losing shoes, but for a good reason...There's always a reason...It can't possibly be that there is no such thing as a "Mechanical Foolproof System"...can it?...LOL

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25 minutes ago, johnnycs1 said:

Didn't Ellis just recently come out with ANB ??

How do guys know how to play it ?

thanks ..johnny/ albuquerque

 
 
 

Ellis's "Loyal" disciples aren't nearly as loyal as he thinks. I have received several copies of ANB

The only thing stopping me plastering ANB over the whole damn Internet is that I don't want to be responsible for people losing money.

 

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16 minutes ago, johnnycs1 said:

Didn't Ellis just recently come out with ANB ??

The name may be new, but there have been countless iterations of net betting P v B over the last three years.  I have a binder full of various testing I did for Ellis on at least 3 or 4 different versions.  About all you can really vary is how many bets you make under certain events until you suspend, and those decisions impact just how quickly it gets on a run of streaks or chops.   Net betting PvB will do well in certain shoes (like any system), and increasing your base bet on streaks will magnify possible gains (I'm sure this is part of ANB -- a fallback rule for Ellis).  However, I guarantee that if you just play it blindly from shoe to shoe starting at hand 2, you will not win in the long run.  A purely mechanical system betting almost every hand will get eaten alive over time.

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I'm expecting Ellis's "attack dogs" (Disciples) to come at me hard. Good luck with that fellas...think long and hard, because I promise you...within 24 hours I will have ANB plastered over every gambling site on the Net.

You know that I'm a vindictive old prick...and if I say it...I mean it.

Relax...take it easy...don't get your knickers in a twist...you know Ellis will come up with another unloseable system in a few weeks.

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34 minutes ago, ozscouser1 said:

I'm expecting Ellis's "attack dogs" (Disciples) to come at me hard. Good luck with that fellas...think long and hard, because I promise you...within 24 hours I will have ANB plastered over every gambling site on the Net.

You know that I'm a vindictive old prick...and if I say it...I mean it.

Relax...take it easy...don't get your knickers in a twist...you know Ellis will come up with another unloseable system in a few weeks.

I dont know, does he really thinks after all this years playing baccarat with that great IQ that mechanical system that plays every hand can beat bacc easilly, or he knows that majority of peoples look for system like that ?

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