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Oh he/she said it alright... Said had won for 3 months straight, according to the pit boss who told her/him so, and so he/she lost that day on purpose ( commented that it was 'no so hard' to lose") HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT! Also in the first post, wanted to know whether sys 40 or NOR was the one to buy, and WHY? Looking at BacQueen profile, not sure if he/she, or whether from Mars/Venus. Either/Or we are in for a good explanation of why someone wins 3 months in a row without losing wants to know what to do next ( hoping they tell us how to win 3 months in a row! ha!) "GroundControlToMajorTom"...

You said you won 3 months straight with the methods you had been using... Can you share with the group so we can compare with Sys 40 and NOR? Then could answer your question...

Just what the doctor ordered. Patient comes in half -delusional, not sure whether he/she is coming or going...Dr. Ellis immediately recognizes the symptoms of "win dehydration", recommends a few diet changes, prescribes some NOR medication, and presto-chango, the patient is good as new! My kind of medicine...

Ellis- Is there a doctor in the house? Great shoes, but before everyone else asks , can you give us a 'PLAY-BY-PLAY' analysis of just exactly what you did, one hand at a time, why you changed sides when you did, what aspect of NOR made up your mind to play that way, etc. etc? Start at the beginning of each shoe, walk us thru your process, maybe a shoe at a time? Not all in one day. let's debate/discuss/digest all the finer points of NOR in action, before we move to the next shoe? Remember the analogy about feeding the man a fish ( feeds him for a for a day) , versus teaching him 'how-to-fish' ( to feed him for a lifetime) ? Thanks and you are sure to generate a whole lot of good dialogue on the forum... And when you are explaining it all to us, show us all how you calculate the PA% for each shoe, and in total for the 6 shoes....could take a number of days, to explain all the shoes, and even overlap the Vegas seminar and make it even more successful!! Maybe David ImSpirit himself will weigh in on this since he was there while these were played... This should really "seal-the-deal" that NOR is truly the best way to play, ever! Thanks and have a great Vegas seminar! Once people really grasp how you applied NOR to each-and-every hand of these shoes, they will be capable of condensing years of "trial-and-error" BAC lay into a short manual of style and approach...likely saving them many thousands of dollars and disappointment!

B- pretty simple I look back 5 hands PB , etc, and i ALSO USE THE NUMERICAL VALUES OF THE CARDS PLAYED to make my decisions...P.S. This is my method only, and while I have talked about it on the forum, I know Ellis does not attach a lot of significance to it. I am not here to disagree with him, I AM JUST EXPLAINING HOW FOR ME IT WORKS... And how it works involves regression to the normal values 0f 1's, 2's , 3/'s etc in a shoe, even thought I know there are many, many posts about how this is "playing backwards" Best i can explain is I combine PLAY IT BACKWARDS ( regression to the norm) + PLAY IT FORWARD ( play what the shoe is telling you to play) and make a decision from there. I combine with where i stand in the shoe, +/- as far as win/loss and make a decision which side to bet on. We have talked repeatedly on this forum that NOTHING WORKS ALL THE TIME STRICTLY MECHANICAL.. I agree, and this is why I combine the numerical values and regression- to-the-mean approaches with NOR.. ( I explained both concepts at the PA session). I can only say that it is very effective for me personnally, and i refuse to even engage in conversations about Zumma testing, yada, yada, yada I hope this helps, but if not call me at 850-687-3128 and we will review... Thanks and good luck!

Ok, all you NOR junkies, here is an interesting set of circumstances...I just returned home from a trip to the Rivers Casino in Chicago, and this is the actual experience... Arrived mid shoe about 4:30 pm shoe #1 and exited just shy of mid shoe shoe # 2 at around 7pm...yes, it took almost 2-1/2 hours to play the equivqlent of one shoe! so much for the bad news... Here is how the cards played out: P21251122414711111121 ( end of shoe #1) B42232141225 ( until I left part way through shoe #2) Guess what? Notice in less than 70 hands total, way low on 1's and only one 3...so given this kind of disparity, guess who the big winner was at the table? no one else even came close... so I give an awful lot of the credit to Ellis and the members of this forum for contributing to a well thought out, time tested, leave the guess-work at home approach to the game...FYI, I should mention that the friend I mentioned in my last post thread accompanied me to the casino with his $500 chip, and we left and he had the chip and the equivalent of 4 more of them in cash in his pocket! In all fairness he DID buy my wife and I dinner last night, but I reciprocated with a Turkey burger and a few helpful hints tonight... Does BTC rock, or what???

Good idea ..not sure how to choose a time that works for all, other than to just pick one and post on the forum and whoever can play does so? I just went to BlackOrchid.com and it was easy to set up an account...

bill, I think the rest of the team has left the shoe, and perhaps wisely so! I hope everyrone is sticking to their stop-loss and stop win objectives, just like Elllis preaches.. Well, it was a player, P8 B2 Leaves us as follows for the shoe: From the Beginning : PP BBBB P B P B PPP B PP B PP B P B PPPPP BBBB PP B PP B P BBB P BBB PPPP In the interest of time, I will flash forward and tell you I finished up 18 units, less 1.9 units for B commission, tips and the cocktail waitress here is how the shoe finished out...any one wants to see the real things and all my notations pm me with your fax number/email address and I will scan it to you from the above point here is what happened: B2312211112111312 Tomorrow, I will talk about the whole shoe and my thoughts on How NOR, Sap etc kept me in the game... In the meantime, happy Sunday to all and I hope you and your families are all in good spirits and Health!!

Once again, out comes the Player Now 3rd street at BPBBBPPP I say follow the Player and will wager 2 units...I am at +13 units and hoping to improve...the pace of play is slow, as there are now people betting over-the-top of players at our table...interesting about half the players at the table betting B, and some of us staying on the mini-P run to go to 4-in- a-row I think most players prefer the streak and over chop, and I think that is why we have so many players standing behind the table..just IMO

Ellis and Keith- You guys rock! Have just played all or part of 14 shoes at two casinos in the last 48 hours...Rivers Casino in Chicago and Potowatomi Casino in Milwaukee. At Rivers' date=' we had an unbelievable, hi-fivin', give and take game going in the BIG BAC room for almost 5 hours... To my right were two nice Asian girls, both good old Americans...one the Ellis type, one the Keithster To my left were a nice couple named Chris and Meagan, plus another gentleman of Asian descent who is no stranger to the game. Filling in were players coming and going so the Professor to my right was keeping me grounded, while her BFF was turning over my cards since I am too Type A for the pace of Big Bac...every time we won, The Professor explained to me in great detail just how and why, while her friend implored me to give her some $$ for her card skills And to my left, Chris and I were caucusing on what to do and why, often betting opposite one another, and many times on our consensus, while the gentleman to the left of me kept reminding me that since I do no like to dick around with playing the cards 2-side, 3-side, Etc that he was THE BUS DRIVER and could play the cards like Beethoven's 5th Symphony... OK so after all this time...what happened? . My girls both walked away with nada nickel ..., Chris and Meagan moved to the other table in the room, and THE BUS DRIVER left the scene. Over five hours, and I had tipped the dealer several hundred $$ ( actually way more) , the cocktail waitress never, ever left me dehydrated, and I left with $3 large in my pocket ( you add the '000's) A few hours sleep, 10 hours at the office , and drive 80 miles north to Potowatomi Casino in Milwaukee... Worked the bars for five hours promoting our YES Vodka brand [url']www.yesvodka.com And back to the tables.. ( YES! The same tables the subject of my DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME post still going on) Again, the same cast-of-BAC- junkies, every single one of them been there/ done that/ got the t-shirt ... Started off having to stand in the gallery at one of the tables betting "over top" of players ( Friday night at 2 am and you'd think there would be a seat?) NOT!!!! I will spare you the details of 5 hours of play, but once again winner-winner, chicken-dinner ( finally looked it up on the Internet the other day...NOW I get it!) My point is this: You two are the perfect counter balance to one another...just like The Skipper and Gilligan, just like Ying and Yang, you provide the perfect mix of advice/ counsel/ everyday common sense tips and reminders of how to play this game! Even having played for over 15 years myself, I am constantly replaying in my mind the principles of NOR / SAP, etc, etc and making my next bet... in summary, you guys ROCK and if you will forever be the first two entrants in my Baccarat Hall Of Fame.

old ad campaign I am stuck on BandAids, cause BandAids stuck on you.... So prepare for the Ouchee...Another Player P7 B6 Looked right, looked left....everyone at the table said another Player! I agree for 2 units ( be careful what the crowd mentality says to do..) Ladies and gentleman ( not sure anyone here qualifies). PLACE YOUR BETS.

Agreed that 50% Do, and 50% don't ( if only we knew which-was-which!) OOps, we did it again...all of us! Player came out P7 B1 Now 3rd street ( warminc's easy street...) looks like this : B1131 So I looked back at P only and noticed the following for the shoe: PP P P PPP PP PP .... up through the last P ( 1 unconfirmed)... looks to me like P 2-or-more was a solid bet...What the hey, I am back down to +9 , so decided at that point in the shoe to go 2 units on P ( Lose last hand go up, win go down, right?)...Kind of doubting myself after last sequence BBB P BBB P, but no pain, no gain...give it a whirl...each side still seems to have some "follow" attributes to it...Bill, I think you mentionned a number of posts back ADN? Well, when I was playing the shoe, of course you not there to "urge me on", but curious to see what other perspectives on NOR would say to do, all things considered.. HOW MUCH TO BET, AND WHY? Let's discuss as my bet is purely speculative, and have "sat on my hands" twice this shoe for 4-5 hands each time, so I am a bit "antsy" at this juncture... Oh, and here comes he cocktail waitress! Let me explain: I have 3 superstitions: a) cocktail waitress arrives just as i place a big bet...oops! all of a sudden, new money flows into the table and it causes a commotion/ruckus/discussion about the game c) for whatever reason, the dealer 'TOUCHES' MY BET' , for whatever reason whatsoever,( like to make some sort of adjustment, center it in the circle, check vis-a-vis table limits, etc.) Oh well, the cards have been dealt so too late to change...besides, maybe a cup of coffee is in order right about now...

banker once again...B9 P8 3rd column now B P BBB Put me down for another unit on Banker!

Bank comes through again... I agree with Bill that many times, the OVERLAY OF 2 SYSTEMS may point to the best one, but in some cases it may be very close. While at the casino ( real time) I decided this shoe to stay on Bank for next play 1 Unit, just playing Banker F...I win I am up to ten units, lose I am down to 8 units....

3rd street...seems like every city has one...too bad we could not all find ourselves on Easy Street Well, stick around a little longer...Banker wins B9 P7, so I am still in F mode on Bank and will wager another 2 units...Have come this far... Nothing seems way out of whack...O/R, P/B, SAP, all basically trending pretty close to their "NORM" for this shoe...some anomalies, but nothing real significant seems to me...Can this shoe be beaten? ( well, they all can be beaten, and they all can beat you...just depends on how well you read the tea leaves, apply NOR, and of course some luck and MM for good measure always seems to help...)I look over at the other two tote boards at tables 2 and 3, and see pretty much the same going on...they are both full and SRO now, so i decide to stay put and ride this out So far: PP BBBB P B P B PPP B PP B PP B P B PPPPP BBBB PP B PP B P BBB P B

Well boys and girls, out came the Player P8 B4 Currently shoe as follows P241111312121 P1154212112 B11 down to 5 units, but with the way B showing stronger 3's and 4's I am going Back on Bank for 2 units. shoe is driving me crazy! Ha!

Lots of good dialogue S40, F,etc Well Banker comes out B8 P0, so now 3 B's in a row. Top of Column 3 now at B1 ... I will stay on Bank for another hand since we have just hab the 3 banks....

Another Banker it is! Second column now P1154 Stay on the Bank for another unit...going for +6 and looking to bump up from there

Good explanation Yes it was Banker again Second column now P1153 So 3B's have to go another on B

Had to happen sooner or later...Banker wins 2nd in a row... Look at the whole shoe thus far all the B1's PP BBBB P B P B PPP B PP B PP B P B PPPPP BB With this in mind, I will sit out another hand or two...

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water... Banker arrives and wins the hand now we are at P1151, ...what to do? I am back at +4 units for the third time I look at the other two tables and they are StandingRoomOnly... ????????