kachatz1

So I will tittle this post " IF I FELL IN LOVE WITH YOU" ( google the lyrics, it's an old Beatles song...listen to the words, and you ( whoever is reading this) will understand...)) Just visited the newly opened ( July 18, 2011) Rivers Casino in Des Plains, IL...just a quick cab ride from the O'Hare Chicago airport for those of you out-of-town ... Made an absolute killing on each of the 5 tables open, and they were all CHOP-CHOP-SUEY, for 8 hours!!!!! Anyone doubts NOR, p-u-l-l-e-z-e PM me!! So simple, so easy...and due to mostly to System 40 I barely broke a sweat...results over $10 large in a few portions of a few shoes... As always, I met with all the usual suspects... The person(s) who finally just followed me.. most of the BAC table hounds The person(s) who thought I was "just lucky" and started betting against me...only to decide better that GIMME' SHELTER had better lyrics and they moved to another table... The newbie Casino Pit Boss ( remember, this is a brand new casino...) who tried to stare-me-down , and acted like he even had a clue what the game is all about...WHAZZUP' WID ' DAT? bottom line if you are: 1) on the fence about PA 8/13, get yourself a ticket before it is sold out! 2) one of those other forum types who think you have to run Zumma or Total Gym ( something like that) to prove for the millenium that "this thing works" 3) in need of a quick fix to your bankroll and confidence highly recommend you take the redeye to Chicago, and get yourself to the Rivers Casino B4 they figure it out even better, get with the boys and see what NOR is really all about! Cannot believe this thing is only $300, and don't spend it if you "get it", but for those of you still doubting THE POWER, just PM me.....you will be amazed at the effect it can have on your game... Good luck to all...

Ortho- I had played for many years before I became a lifetime member about 1-1/2 years ago. And BTW, I never knew how much I DIDN'T know about the game before I joined, and now I win on a consistent basis, thanks to the many posts I have read here over the last 18 months. Once you start reading some of the threads, it's hard to stop...mostly, you will learn to adapt what you read to a style of play you are comfortable with. IMO, you will recoup your investment many times over, especially if you have the patience and know how to employ the money-management methods taught here in the forum. Way better ROI than any other legitimate investment out there... Message me anytime if I can help.

i think DWEEZY is smoking too much of ganja... $100,000 "zero risk"? WTF? Yeah, like we all knew the ( "zero risk") answer to that and we'd be wasting time sending these friggin' emails back-and-forth? Cut him off, can ya? Or discontinue this "going nowhere thread" ? Garnabby, is that you?

To Dweezy, whether he is a member or not, or to anyone else interested. The Dweeze stated that SYS 40 "worked well until it didn't"...Ha, ha...all of our methods are like this! None of them work every shoe, every situation, every day! Ellis has done a great job of giving us the means to modify/adjust/change our approach to a given shoe/ a given set of circumstances...including IF IT A'INT WORKING, GET UP AND LEAVE! ( my words, not his...) This is the reason for stop-losses, this is the reason for various approaches to a shoe, this is the reason we sometimes simply have to "sit out" a period and get back to "paper betting" w/o real $$ out on the table... In the end, nothing beats 'experience', nothing beats having played a bunch of shoes in a bunch of different casinos/settings/on different days, etc. With each successive "casino experience" , and with each step you make towards a willingness to "learn" and practice (!!) the methods explored/examined/reviewed/taught here...you will become a better player and................... THE MORE YOU ARE LIKELY TO WIN! Thanks Ellis, Keith, Seahog, et. al for sharing and making us all better players...

Dweezy- Get with the program, if you want to be THE ONE everyone looks to at the Bacc tables to follow... You paid your dues to be a Junior Member. Best $50/month you ever spent! If you just take a few hours to practice a few of the systems, figure out which one you like, and then apply it, you will make your money like the rest of us... Day in, day out...you will almost always go home a winner... And even on those days you have to stick with your stop loss and go home feeling like the weakling of the 3LittlePigs clan, 'MAN-UP' and go back tomorrow to see just what a difference a day will make! You will not win every shoe Cannot quit at your "stop-win" ( you won your shoe goal...get out!)? or, No stop loss? You will "net" even less $$. Not convinced of your own abilities and cannot play at least 10 shoes on any system you choose, just to prove you will win net/net after commission and including shoes you have to "bail" from due to your stop loss? Still want to "blame everyone" for being some kind of 'scammer'? Just try it... you will soon join BTC for life ( way cheaper than the monthly dues...) :) :) I wish you only the best...there is no magic, the casinos are operated by a bunch of professionals with really deep pockets, and they spend their time figuring out how to find more self-doubters like The Dweeze! Don't give in, but DO find a system on BTC you like, and for sure if you obey your stop-win ( quit while you are comfortably ahead) and stop-loss objectives, you will come back a winner...all of us here are hoping to hear the good news you will soon be posting... Best of luck to you!

Viva Las Vegas. You want water symphony, go to The Bellagio. Thinking of the Pharoahs, get yourself over to The Luxor. Paris is your gig, check it out. Eddie Van Halen and Styxx memorabilia, head to the Hard Rock. You think Johnny Depp and all those Pirate Movies are a piece of cake, spend a few minutes at Treasure Island And if fast cars are your eye candy dream, the Wynn is for you. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ You want to win at baccarat, , just go to the Gold Coast and apply your favorite BTC system to the table action that IS

kachatz@treomanagement.com Keith..I am traveling Thursday but please keep me in the loop and I will try to participate...good idea!

Hi, I live in the Destin FL area, and commute weekly to Chicago for work..I play in Biloxi At The Hard Rock whenever I can, and they do have the tote board there, but only one mini-bac table ( rarely full) Lots of other casinos in town with tote boards Hope this helps

I am all for Ellis' idea of putting Sys40 Advanced in a "manual" for all to see/discuss/play/share results. I would also suggest a one page "cheat sheet" that summarizes the start/stop/bet this way/bet that way "rules" Most of us can only deal with a one page "system", and this we can write most of it in code right on our casino-provided "scorecard"...using the casino-provided card is one sure way to appear like you just got off the boat...( or in some cases, on it...)

I really think Ellis has a point here. 1) No single way of play will beat every situation. 2) We do not need to beat every single situation, especially with rationale stop-loss parameters. if this happens, then just get out and wait for the next shoe. 3) Establish realistic win-objectives for each shoe/each session and stick to them. 3) The simpler the rules, the better we can all apply them and discuss our results on this forum. 4) Everyone who has been playing this game for a long time ( means thet have not become discouraged or run out of money) would most likely agree that in real-world casino play, with all the distractions and "stress" influencers present, THE SIMPLER THE BETTER. System 40 seems to accomodate all these objectives, the most important of which is that short-term/mid-term/long-term we BEAT THE CASINO and enjoy our winnings .

JerseySlim- Could not agree more with you...it is really just a personal preference, but i like to stay with one style of play for just about everything, seems way more relaxing than trying to incorporate a bunch of different systems...then it is just discipline to pay close attention to your shoe and session unit win and/or unit stop loss goals...definitely will win more than you lose...Now and then you go home having lost a few $$, but over a week, a month, a year you will find yourself way ahead of the game. And the more shoes you play and observe, it makes a huge difference in your confidence, which also translates to winning more $$, and cutting your losses short...

Dave- Fair and comprehensive observations about both ...could put your review up on the Travel Channel and draw a few more players to the Horseshoe, ha! Watching the Raiders/Cowboys preseason game, and a few of those guys could learn more about shoulder pads from the more veteran Horseshoe stalwarts...I play about every other week in Chicago or Milwaukee area, so PM me kachatz@treomanagement.com and let's get together if you'd like. Maybe next weekend after this and we can compare notes. I have found both casinos to be a mix of C/S, with no clear bias...I have to admit I actually enjoy over-the-top play, especially since I do not care about ratings/comps/etc. but U R right, a game can take f.o.r.e.v.e.r @ The Shoe.

Barkley IS a Maverick. Teach him how to play, and next year he'll invite you to HIS Golf tournament...

even better would be if Mark could help us put it in such simple language we could all commit it to memory easily, or if necessary copy it onto our live shoe Bac cards so that as we play, it is easy to find the right "rule" to deploy...

I have played Bac for many years and am currently enjoying great success. The maverick system is well worth the effort and YES I would like to see a BOOT CAMP approach...

very interested...suggest a weekend so more could attend

John- I AGREE with your trigger system... read my post titled A HORSE WITH NO NAME posted 2/28/10. Good luck to all !

B- Agree completely with MVS. Several things about the Forum, and THE GAME, at least from my perspective. Rule # 1) No matter what you read or what you see on this forum or anywhere else, CONSISTENT WINNING will require many, many hours of actual playing time, incredible patience, ( at times) unnerving discipline and (Very Important!) a bankroll commensurate with your expectations to experience the benefits of your "investment" ( time and money) Rule # 2) There is no getting around Rule # 1 That said , I suggest you "google" the word Baccarat, read everything you can about systems/strategies/rules of the game, etc.etc.etc. Then just compare what you have just read to what you see here on this Forum and your decision to join will be a "NO-BRAINER", whether you decide to join or not. Best of luck,

Hey MVS, agreed! Ellis' response also gave me a clear understanding of NET BETTING...anybody reading his post ( and PJ's posting of the plays) will find it very simple and easy to follow...great risk/reward ratio , especially when you want to just cruise through a shoe with low PLAYER/BANKER disparity.... Sometimes you can read something over and over, before FINALLY YOU GET IT!

PJ Thanks for the posting info. I understand now how you "posted" the 73 plays , and ignored the 7 ties Kevin

Thanks and i will read all carefully as I want to be ready for Vegas next week... Agree with John and have looked for best way to POST-A-SHOE the BTC way?

Thanks, PJ and I will digest all this evening... While I have played ( yes, and survived and mostly prospered ) Baccarat for more than 10 years, and played from Macau to Milwaukee, I am going to Vegas next week and am committed to playing the BTC way... Kevin

Thanks, Ellis I have read many, many of the threads and forum topics all the way through to get a better grasp of the strategies employed. Great stuff, and I am using some of it already but I just want to solidfy my grasp of using several different methodologies within a shoe, rather than just one ( like just using RD1). Also, it was my hope that this would help others like me , especially those new to the Forum. The 80 outcomes I posted were 38 Banker, 35 Player and 7 Ties ( total 80 outcomes, typical shoe..) I understand the ties don't get "played" but since they do occur I put them in there for reference. Not sure how you calculated only 56 "plays" other than TIE ? I will digest your comments later today and look forward to seeing how this particular "shoe" is played by anyone who wants to take the time to explain their methods. Thanks again for your help! Kevin

OK, so I think like MVS I am now as confused as ever about this ( or at least as confused as he seemed early in the day today). I have an idea which may help everyone, and perhaps The Maverick himself would help us all out in a clear, easy to understand fashion. Listed below are 80 Player, Banker or Tie outcomes. Pretty much a typical ( if there is such a thing) shoe... Maverick, could you please SHOW US ALL EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD HAVE PLAYED THIS SHOE, by combining "the rules" of the RD1,F2 and F3 methods with a simple Money Management progression of your choosing ? SAP or not, up to you... My hope is that this will help everyone understand each and every decision made and WHY/WHEN TO SWITCH between the various systems ( RD1, F2 and F3 ), and how the MM progression fits in. Here are the 80 outcomes, starting with the first hand dealt. 1) P 2) B 3) B 4) P 5) T 6) B 7) P 8) T 9) B 10) B 11) B 12) P 13) P 14) B 15) P 16) B 17) P 18) B 19) B 20) B 21) B 22) B 23) P 24) B 25) P 26) P 27) T 28) B 29) B 30) P 31) P 32) P 33) B 34) P 35) P 36) B 37) B 38) P 39) B 40) P 41) P 42) P 43) P 44) B 45) B 46) T 47) B 48) P 49) P 50) P 51) B 52) B 53) P 54) B 55) T 56) P 57) T 58) B 59) B 60) P 61) B 62) P 63) P 64) P 65) B 66) B 67) P 68) P 69) T 70) B 71) P 72) B 73) B 74) B 75) B 76) P 77) B 78) P 79) P 80) B Thanks Mr. M, and I know there are many, many of us on this Forum that would like to have your feedback on just how you would have played this shoe. The more comments/advice/instruction the better! Regards, kachatz1

Sam I used to live in Chicago, but moved to Florida last year. I do get back to Chicago occasionally, so send me your direct contact info and I will save it for a future trip there... In the meantime, the best local place I found to play was at the Potawatomi Casino in downtown Milwaukee...very nice, clean, etc. www.paysbig.com Good luck and call me if I can help. Kevin kachatz@treomanagement.com 850-687-3128