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when that guy came across from another forum claiming to have forgotten his password here and Oz exposed him from another forum I had a look there for interests sake only. Theres a whole thread there on MDB and people asking for free copies It starts off like: Does anyone know anything about MDB? Translation: who can give me a free copy I'm too cheap to join and learn properly so I want to get something for nothing! Also: This approach sounds interesting Translation: This might actually work unlike anything I have at the moment! Funny

If in doubt usually S40 will be a good default to play? M1, 2, or 3

or nor S40 M2 will bet against 3's and get OTR for the 4+'s ?

Hi Bighorn, start recording some shoes and then do SAP counts and B/P, O/R, O/T counts and lets see if we can see any patterns that is consistent. Maybe B/P always runs close, maybe it always runs minus and then back to 0 If there is no bias then NOR wont work well, if there is no random then MDB wont work as well but maybe B/P is always running close consistently. I think its just logic that shoe design cant cover everything - they can make some strategies hard to win with but at the expense of allowing others to win more easily

Far out Pando that's an amazing result for such a short time playing. I hope I can reach the same level of success as you with some hard work. I'm sort of focused on NOR right now and phasing in MDB. Some of the triggers you talk about I don't see those results at my casino That 3 consecutive 2+'s I don't think would have as high a hit as what you get Also the 2 sporadic ones and bet next 1 goes double one that way2fast talks about I also don't see that high a hit rate as what you guys get. Still trying to figure out my casino

You should have done alright with MDB on these? Thanks for the practise shoes

Another way to get players to take their eye off the ball of a 50 / 50 game and place novelty unfavourable bets?

Thanks for the info. Didn't know that

I started at Dublinbet but when playing for practise they changed the rules so switched to Black Orchid and have stuck there since. They seem pretty good - all live and hand shuffle they do in front of you and alternate decks of cards so its a pretty continuous flow. Some people have said they deal too fast and I did find that at first but now can handle it ok - can record all my results and get next bet down pretty easily I would recommend anyone to be able to handle that speed as you have to really know your stuff to be able to so it forces you to be a better player. I will take your advice on 5 dimes - I'm looking for some other ones that are credible as don't want to play same one all the time.

I think the online casinos are starting to gain credibility now. Because they offer better odds, are more convenient, becoming more trusted, I think they will outdo land casinos although I think land casinos will always exist as you cant beat going out and experiencing the atmosphere + all the restuarants, ballrooms, hotels, convention centres, shops that go with them. I started out never trusting online casinos but now the live dealer ones so far have been ok.

No, I never heard much bad about them. They are a large online casino. I don't think they want to risk a bad rep. They are one of the few onlines that don't share their feed in. They look pretty legit to me Like Ellis said the online casinos are taking over because they are now offering a more convenient way to play and fairer odds The hand shuffle makes it easier to pick bias. Just make sure you play at a trusted live dealer one.

I used to play there. The shoes were good for NOR. S40, T4BL, mostly from what I remember. Hand shuffle so sometimes strong bias sometimes not As per always an experienced NOR player can beat them. People say NOR doesn't work, I say they aren't practising enough!

Yeah and there would be no casinos!

Hello Tim. depends what people are after as way2fast says: nobody's gonna hand you anytrhing a silver platter here. I think some people maybe expect that.. Now excuse me - time to play another shoe and replay it several times differently!....

Any shoe from your casino which you cant beat you can post on private forum and someone will show you how to beat it.

It appears the most successful players only bet 1 - 4 units max. Its looking morel like possibly 2 max. Looks like the way to go for high units and avoids commission and banker 6 wins on no commission tables. oz with flat bets and 2 max, way with mdb 4 max, norm with 2 units max, ellis with 4 max in his nor public play. whats a 1-2 loopback? just a 1,2 negative progression timing it on instinct and experience I'm guessing? In theory if you do well with flat bet then you can do even better with negative progression but in practise it appears people rely on the negative progression rather than stop loss and superior bet selection. Frank Barstow said in his book the few pros he met used a very small simple progression with tight stop loss and patient bet selection.

the thing is we all respect our master - Ellis for creating and teaching these systems. We are not gonna give them away on public forum

You are right Siki you need to find weakness for casino where you are playing and then determine how to beat them

Or you could take some lessons from Dr E. on the private forum and build up your BR and play pro like others here....

That would be good but how would you stop it getting into the hands of non members? All it would take is someone to print a hard copy of have it on a pdf and it would be all over the internet. When that baccaratguy was on here posting he 'lost' his login I checked out another site and there's actually a thread about MDB and people asking for anyone with copies to supply them for free. But yes the bible or ebook sounds like a must - could it be offered at a price for Steves or whoevers time that gets put into producing it I have also thought about a flowchart for how to win at baccarat to show when to use what approach in right situations - if strong bias - NOR , if no bias MDB etc etc right down to which system and mode to use in what situation?

You know I knew this was going to come up again because we never answered it a few months ago. What about we all meet up in Vegas every year and compare play methods? I have no idea what Katchatz1 is thinking of but I had to put something out there to get him to reveal the next cards!

Hi Tim, don't worry about your posts that was not at all the reason why it was moved Its also not to try and hide the system - while it doesn't produce the results hoped for it wasn't moved because it 'didn't work' As a member I can tell you that Ellis accidentally posted a bit too much information about the system and MDB and its not something non members should have access to although I don't believe anyone could do much with it but still some private members complained so that is why it was moved. Unfortunately all the previous information got moved with it. There is another forum which has a thread of MDB and people asking for copies or info for free and there was one guy on here who claimed he was a member before but 'lost' his username and he was fishing for info on the systems for free. This site costs money to run and there's a lot of work goes into the systems and they actually work and so they aren't free and so they have to be careful and look after the paid members.

ok agree with you we never know what to expect. maybe I could say hand shuffle should follow expected mathematical sap count and preshuffled could be anything but the sap count will be determined by the order type. still every day I try to be a better nor player but when mdb is hitting its like a dream

The good thing here is everyone agrees there is a place for a Netbet system - a universal one with a max of 2hi would be really great. Everyone agrees this system has potential - the concept is really great but at this point doesn't look like it lives up to the standard of what people thought it would be. Everyone has faith Ellis will make this system work in time - its a pretty tough task in front of him - create a system that you can jump right into any shoe, never bet more than 2 units and come out ahead every time or more often than you lose. Everyone here is constructive and here for the same reason - that alone says we will get there. I still think NOR and MDB is enough to win decisively over virtually anything but having this would be even better. Bighorn can you pm me some of the Singapore shoes you played that mdb doesn't work on so I can practise on them - very interested on these. I been playing online at moment - Black orchid casino - hand shuffle - usually good for NOR. I been waiting for first 3 events before I jump in - usually find TB4L is a good default and sometimes stays right thru This morning +20 betting only 1,2 progression - only 5 x 2iar's in 60 hands so it worked out real well. Have just been phasing in this 2Hi and seeing how it does - so far 50 / 50

hi dayvid yes generally you are right but you assume that: hand shuffle will always be biased and preshuffled will always be random we never know - only sap count can tell you for each shoe and casino you play at. anything can happen there is sap forum to learn that