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Wendell, could you please explain this again...I seem to somehow got lost in how to apply this...thanks..

I agree. I think his advice to wait till the first chop to begin is the best way to start..this seems to work the best for s40m3 then we should use the 123 0123 for sure....but I just hit on something else I've notice with the or counts...

Mvs what I see is we need to use a 123 prog for recovery and I'm not sure what the second prog should

Ellis what if we used our first prog say 123 then if we lose the 3 then we start our secondary prog? I see too many shoes testing this with the first 3 winning and helping us to recover the initial 12 loss

Glenn Privately I've been testing a ton of shoes using s40m3. See for me I like the 3 methods but I could not figure out which system to use when. Starting a shoe with a predetermined method was not working. Then I saw djbacc success and started testing it. It did the best overall over basobt4l and bas40. This was using just a 1,2,3 prog then Otr after a 3 loss. Just like dj played it. But when I apply a prog in a prog, it became difficult to over come the loss of the 1.2 bets when the third bet is a 0 whereas dj uses a 3 for a recovery. Perhaps our prog in a prog should not be 0123 but maybe 3456? Todd

Ellis-so when we are at a table, how long do we wait till we start betting one of the three methods?

So he plays for three chop then follows a streak after. A 3rd loss on chop correct?

Is he using a progression like 123 or u1d2?

Does anyone know what the rules are for BaOTB4l???? Im guessing it is like BaS40 played in m1 as well?

Ellis.....I think I too was screaming about the preshuffled shoes down here in FLA......add me to the list of people seeing it.....lol .....nothing like Gold Coast...seems PARX may be just like Gold Coast shoes...no matter +5 with 3 systems will kill em here....so ready to go Yes I paid twice...

Spot on blue....but give it to hamster he doesn't stop trying

So very true way....mike hang in there and knock them stupid

Jaybird could u please post your new set of rules

Mvs Can you please okay this one for me: P42211115233 B21531113123 P53321 Thank you

Hamster Do yourself a favor and join the BTC family and learn the approach and how to see shoes. Most of us make the investment back on one night. I was once like you but sometimes you have to take a leap of faith to grow...

Oh please let me be the first to respond to bake 1. I find that you coming on to the forum as a guest who hasn't joined to learn to solely bash the approaches to be a joke- yes I'm laughing at you 2. My 16 out of 19 +5 shoes using 4d are laughing at you too 3. Your remarks without knowledge they help us laugh at you. 4. As kdawg would say I am happy playing my way and I'm not moved by your remarks. 5. I am not moved by your propaganda, but find extreme humor in your use of the word punter..... You may go back to your hole now troll, you're dismissed

Jay bird are you still using this approach? If so have you modified any of your rules? Thanks

The amount of shoes doesn't determine if you can play long term or not...it is the discipline to win, the discipline to say todays is not my day, the discipline not to go all in while losing and trying to chase.....

Hey Hamster, Have you become a member yet??? Do yourself a favor, like most of us have, become a member and start learning.....besides most of us recouped the membership the first night or so in the casino.....food for thought

The lack of being able to use table in my opinion is what makes 4d so very powerful... Perhaps we need to revisit 4d with the +5

and get this...there were people betting AGAINST this........I said to the one guy...can you please get up so I can have your seat...it would save you money.....one guy went in table max twice and still lost......

Tanpohh, It's quite easy to do...start with the counts of the 4d then look at the shoe...you will see it....look for how it curves into the shoe

Saw a dream shoe last night of course all the tables were full..... P51618161715281617

Cc I stand corrected and yes you are correct....not all columns are required to expose a bias with 4d. I misunderstood that comment.

GG, There is an abundance of 2s that showed up around play 15...might be a sign to start playing otb4l or at least monitor it for the time being... but that's easy to say after the shoe has been played and its all exposed.