Zenwin Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I didn't post earlier, but better late than never. Our casino has just changed to machine shuffling now. I think its a good sign. The following 3 shoes were taken from the same table. Notice the streak in shoe #1 and #3, #3 shoe was #1 shoe after shuffled.Thursday 11/13 #1 Shoe - 8 deck machine shuffled - Montreal Casino,P3112221224B112 (10 ten) 213P3321114122P11121711Thursday 11/13 #2 Shoe - 8 deck machine shuffledB11151111611B11112112211132P12121241312P1112213411111Thursday 11/13 #3 Shoe - 8 deck machine shuffledB22111112342P3113111111411P4 (12 twelve) 4B32421122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gablaw Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 2 shoes from Buffalo Thunder, Santa Fe,NM. 8 deck, machine shuffled.P1132111312121B2323112123B1151176B413111121113P122223112P211122112242 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gablaw Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 More Buffalo Thunder (great name!) 12/13/08 new cards (or close)B21432131111P1123132421P122112132212B11B1121311113122B51114251B23122442 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneek Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Can We Keep this post updated with everyone's current shoes. Thanks Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users jayjackson Posted November 23, 2009 Users Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 11/20 - The Orleans in Las VegasShoe #1P2441113211B121122111143B111141141Shoe #2P212142422P212112122222P12611322211113jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Hey!Great idea bringing this thread to the top again.Can't believe I missed it the first dozen times I cruised the older threads.I'll be posting up in the near future for sure.MVS What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneek Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 It's better to test with more up to date shoes. I have not been out to play Bac in awhile, but like to test test test... Thanks everyone Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) At Tom's request I have attached a shoe that illustrates my play of SKORz/TB4L. Note the following:Play 4 - bet 1 unit even tho it calls for 2 (always)Play 15 - switch to TB4L. The shoe has become streaky and SKOR is not doing well, staying in minus. I use a prog of 1,1,2 for TB4LPlay 36 - back to SKOR. TB4L has gotten me out of the hole, but now 2's are starting to show.Play 48 - sloppy scorekeeping - score should be 2, not 4Paul Edited November 23, 2009 by zebra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MensaMadness Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) Wednesday 16th September 2009 - Burswood Casino - Perth - Western Australia8 decks - Shuffle Master MD2SHOE #1P3513131111B42311153P221214121112P111121111SHOE #2P232112113211P11213441111B1212211111211111P43111Friday 20th November 2009 - Burswood Casino - Perth - Western Australia8 decks - Shuffle Master MD2SHOE #1 @ 10:46PMB21111141112121B121711115B32311112213P111311Saturday 21st November 2009 - Burswood Casino - Perth - Western Australia8 decks - Shuffle Master MD2SHOE #1 @ 12:02AMB32812121B123511232B1121142152P12133212SHOE #2 @ 1:18AMP111711332B1232122232P12222123311P66CheersEzza Edited November 29, 2009 by MensaMadness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Friday, November 20, 2009. Immokalee Seminole Casino (Hard Rock)Mid afternoon. 8 deck shoe. Automated shuffle.B61535B71615B3131114131MVS What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uneek Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Thanks Paul for posting up Skor Z / TB4L.:beerchug: Are you using a -8 Stop loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 If SKOR goes to -8 it is really a bad shoe and I would probably be out of SKOR long before it got to -8. I would be in TB4L or just waiting to see how the shoe progresses, looking for favorable conditions to return, or Imight just be looking for another table. There is no percentage in trying toforce a bad shoe into winning. You can't beat every shoe, but you canbeat many. Of the many things I have learned in this forum, that is probably the most important.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MensaMadness Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Burswood 27/11/09 Blue MD2 #1b221121511112b1143121121111b12221122241p3411Burswood 27/11/09 Red MD2 #2b1211311223111p11111211212111111b22113233111p342Burswood 27/11/09 Red Hand #3b1312321211111p1(11)431b21114221132b21211122121Burswood 28/11/09 Red MD2 #1b112211214212b311112111121112p43314311b126111Burswood 28/11/09 Blue MD2 #2b5422511b122311111214b131322111122b121421111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 29, 2009 Users Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 MM, just curious, Were these shoes recorded from the same table? Can you give me some idea of the sequence? How old were these cards? Does this casino use factory preshuffled cards. Is this casino always this choppy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MensaMadness Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Hi EllisIn answer to your questions:Yes, the shoes are from the same table. Two decks shuffled with an MD2.Regarding how old the cards are, I wouldn't have a clue. I play at the "Rapid Baccarat" table where you have a workstation and bet electronically while the cards are dealt by the dealer.Also, I wouldn't have a clue if these cards are pre-shuffled or not. I do know they use pre-shuffled cards in the Riviera Room and once a shoe is dealt, they toss the cards.Seems to be choppy but today I played 5.3 shoes and it was a disaster I need to get up to speed on money management as I was ahead nearly $1k and now I'm even again.The play method I used was:Start the shoe with OTB4L or TB4L, depending whether it hits +1 or -1 first.Continue betting the B1,D2,M3 progression while winning.If I lose, I use BP+1,U1 where BP+1 means I start the loss progression one unit higher than the previous loss from the play progression.I stop when I lose two in a row, reset the count and wait for it to go +1 or -1 and recommence OTB4L or TB4L.It was working today OK but the last shoe was 56 units down...and I must have been brain dead as I should have stopped play after the first 40 hands (at -13 units). Oh well, the harder you get hit, the quicker you learn CheersEzzaMM, just curious, Were these shoes recorded from the same table? Can you give me some idea of the sequence? How old were these cards? Does this casino use factory preshuffled cards. Is this casino always this choppy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 If full shoes from DublinBet are OK, here's my test run from tonight. Nov 29, 2009.B21313331B2131315121B11232127As this was my test hand using OTB4L as the start I changed to a straight FTL due to the lack of 1,1's in the shoe at hand 36 and it worked out nicely using U1D2 restarting at 1 on a win.MVS What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MensaMadness Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hi EveryoneHere's more live shoes to test with your systems.If anyone can give me a suggestion as to what I could have done with the last shoe, it would be much appreciated CheersEzzaBurswood 29/11/09 Blue MD2 #1b12131314112b2121221131121p165221111b1121112Burswood 29/11/09 Red MD2 #2p1266311p1313341121b11253131111b33111Burswood 29/11/09 Blue MD2 #3b11111321126p1111122121115b1221113212112p32Burswood 29/11/09 Red MD2 #4b231226121p1221341132p1222733p1211221Burswood 29/11/09 Blue MD2 #5b2131621112b1112211125111b1335161p221Burswood 29/11/09 Red MD2 #6b211213112111111p211312415p1343131121p2132 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 If anyone can give me a suggestion as to what I could have done with the last shoe, it would be much appreciated Burswood 29/11/09 Red MD2 #6b211213112111111p211312415p1343131121p2132Well, I copied down your shoe #6 to a practice sheet yesterday and then waited until tonight to run it so I wouldn't know what was coming up.Started OTB4L flat betting 1 unit until hand 18 where it lost two in a row for the third time in that column. OK, that should be telling me something and I made the change to TB4L for hand 19 and on.Now playing TB4L U1D2 with a starting bet of 1. On 3 losses in a row, wait until it looks like that losing 2,2 is gone then continue the U1D2.That happened once at hand 50-54 but once it finished, I was at +3.Then THREE 1,2,3 (L,L,W) in a row for pretty much nothing in the third column but still positive.It got tricky at the bottom of the third column as I was back down to +8 and did NOT want to drop below +6 so I went tip toeing with 1 unit bets to see if I could steal a little bit more from the rest of the shoe.It did hit +10 early in the fourth column and I elected to continue but stop at +6 for the win. That 2,1,3,2 didn't help and it finished out +6 which just happens to be MY personal shoe target.MVS (hopefully my play and thinking will kind of make sense) What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MensaMadness Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Thanks MVS It's good to hear a "blow-by-blow" account of how someone thinks when playing a shoe.I've revamped the system I use (until that last shoe, I used a different hodge podge system) and the last show now plays out to +18; hitting the stop win of +18 that I set for it.CheersEzzaWell, I copied down your shoe #6 to a practice sheet yesterday and then waited until tonight to run it so I wouldn't know what was coming up.Started OTB4L flat betting 1 unit until hand 18 where it lost two in a row for the third time in that column. OK, that should be telling me something and I made the change to TB4L for hand 19 and on.Now playing TB4L U1D2 with a starting bet of 1. On 3 losses in a row, wait until it looks like that losing 2,2 is gone then continue the U1D2.That happened once at hand 50-54 but once it finished, I was at +3.Then THREE 1,2,3 (L,L,W) in a row for pretty much nothing in the third column but still positive.It got tricky at the bottom of the third column as I was back down to +8 and did NOT want to drop below +6 so I went tip toeing with 1 unit bets to see if I could steal a little bit more from the rest of the shoe.It did hit +10 early in the fourth column and I elected to continue but stop at +6 for the win. That 2,1,3,2 didn't help and it finished out +6 which just happens to be MY personal shoe target.MVS (hopefully my play and thinking will kind of make sense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 DublinBet Online Live Dealt Hands.December 8, 2009P221111411111111B139112111P612142MVS What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) DublinBet Live Dealt Hands On Line.December 9, 2009.About 4pm Eastern Time.B323372B2241232211B3163214DublinBet 11pm same night.P1421111225B14618P1711121MVS Edited December 10, 2009 by MVSeahog Added second session What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 December 10, 2009.Seminole Indian Casino, Immokalee, Florida.8 deck, machine shuffle. Late afternoon.Shoe #1B12165113P231621311P13211141141B2111Shoe #2B22232113121P1122522113P53122223B24133211 MVS What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 DublinBet December 21, 2009 Approx 6pm Eastern.I've been having some odd problems at DublinBet lately. Three times now I've been part way through a new shoe and the game has gone to the "Random Number Generator" screen and I just kind of drop out of the game. Not so tonight.Entered the first one as a partial and wound up +7. OTB4L start and switch to TB4L running 1,1,2 no skip.B211112351111P3616Second ShoeI was going to wait for the first three hands to start an OTB4L run, but with the B4 start, I went with TB4L right off the bat. RD1 was also an option but I'm still playing pretty conservative.B45131312P231114P1212231High +20, Low +0, Finish +12. Stop win at hand 44 +12.Third shoe.Started TB4L again but got beat up pretty fast at the start and went to RD1 as the lack of 1's in the previous hands (and this one) appeared to be the correct play. Stayed on RD1 playing 1,2,1,2 no skip all the way.P3223432B12211373B2511114High +18, Low -5, Finish +18MVS What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 DublinBet Dec 22, 2009 EveningP1213121221121P111121111211213P241281Played OTB4L all the way.MVS What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasia87 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Here are some DublinBet shoes I did a while ago. (Around 23rd Nov)#1B11111512123B342613B2581#2B1112232151P1111117132P21123112141P1#3P13116112111B542251P12161113#4 ChoppyB21231212113P3121112131111B111322122#5 (run of 10)P2331113122B311111 10 1B12323512B11#6 (wow this shoe is amazingly choppy)P2141134111B2111311111111111P111211111311111 Plasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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