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With all the outsourcing and insourcing of jobs worldwide, wages seem to be heading south or stagnating..how many of you guys quit their thankless jobs to play for a living after getting NOR...I mean not getting rich overnite but making a decent living off the tables to pay for the bills.And how long does this takes?

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nice question...

to become a bac pro is a tough choice, i am a very experienced player but even if i could have the possibility to play full time i am involved in family business, so i keep this opportunity for my retirement time.

my suggestion is to start part time, so your inevitable mistakes would not effect your life, then if you will be successful at table for a couple of years you should be ready for becoming a pro.

you need 3 things to have success:

- knowledge, and you'll find the best available here on BTC

- mindset, because with no correct mindset you will never reach stable results. I teached a good method coaching a guy from macau but, when he was on the tables, he cannot have control on himself and failed miserably (and i wasted my time)

- bankroll, because you could not imagine to play with scared money, at least you need 3 to 5 grand.

you cannot miss just one of these required factors...

bacclover

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Ciao wolftat,

Globalization has dampened the job prospects of many working class...even professionals like doctors and lawyers are not spared as human resources becoming cross border.

You are fortunate to have a family business to fall back on most of us are at the mercy of our employers, you're rite though if one wants to make a living off this, you need to treat it as a business not some form of entertainment :(

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nice question...

to become a bac pro is a tough choice, i am a very experienced player but even if i could have the possibility to play full time i am involved in family business, so i keep this opportunity for my retirement time.

my suggestion is to start part time, so your inevitable mistakes would not effect your life, then if you will be successful at table for a couple of years you should be ready for becoming a pro.

you need 3 things to have success:

- knowledge, and you'll find the best available here on BTC

- mindset, because with no correct mindset you will never reach stable results. I teached a good method coaching a guy from macau but, when he was on the tables, he cannot have control on himself and failed miserably (and i wasted my time)

- bankroll, because you could not imagine to play with scared money, at least you need 3 to 5 grand.

you cannot miss just one of these required factors...

Btw there's a local guy who owns a family business and lost 20 million ,his girlfriend pleading him to stop playing but he did not listen in the end suing the casino for giving him credit,wonder what happens to him...it's really an unforgiving market in gaming industry

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Hi guys,

With all the outsourcing and insourcing of jobs worldwide, wages seem to be heading south or stagnating..how many of you guys quit their thankless jobs to play for a living after getting NOR...I mean not getting rich overnite but making a decent living off the tables to pay for the bills.And how long does this takes?

Well, I quit my job but it wasn't a thankless job. I was a well paid college Professor working for SUNY and was just

voted the most popular teacher in the school in 1992. I loved my job but I quit cold turkey to take on Atlantic City full time.

But I do not recommend this for you. One thing about teaching is you have lots of free time because you are not allowed to

actually teach more than 15 hours a week. I used that time to study and practice both BJ and Baccarat and to write and

publish the most successful gaming book of all time. NBJ outsold all other gaming books put together. I already knew casino

tactics and how to use their own tactics against them through thousands of hours of casino play.

You don't just suddenly declare yourself a professional gambler. You must prove it to yourself and to the casinos FIRST. This

takes an insane amount of study and practice - years of daily study and practice and casino play. You must earn that title.

So, are you still thinking about quitting you job? My advice is: don't. Learn how to play FIRST. Prove yourself FIRST.

Make more money than your job pays FIRST. Then consider going Pro if you are still of a mind to.

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The reason hundreds of millions worldwide unsatisfied with their jobs is they are I'll equipped/ unwilling to handle the day-to-day vagaries ( uncertainties) of WHAT COMES NEXT.

BAC is every 1-2 minutes another decision, another choice to be made.

Win? So , do it again. Over-and-over.

Lose? Is it time to go home?

Very, very stressful, until you grasp the ability to apply NOR+ to your decision making process. Then, youapply it properly and judiciously, you can win more than you lose.

Dark and Piper, you dreaming of Making a living off of it????

Better have no house payment

Cheap rent

No car payment

Inexpensive utiilities, including cell phone, cable tv and gas/ electric

Girlfriends / Boyfriends don't demand much

No credit card bills not paid off monthly

OK to exist off canned soup and vegetables, some inexpensive meat and potatoes until you get established

Week 2 week, month2 month, you put everything back into uour bankroll, you have a chance to make a living.

Years 1,2,3 you build bankroll

Years 4,5,6 you start to " breathe" better

Years beyond that, we'll see if you are still in the game, or long since gone bust from lack of discipline...

Sounds harsh, huh?

Well, look around you, ask everyone if they are making a living from BAC, and how much they started with.

We at BTC wish you all the best, and honestly hope someday you will report back your good news!

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The reason hundreds of millions worldwide unsatisfied with their jobs is they are I'll equipped/ unwilling to handle the day-to-day vagaries ( uncertainties) of WHAT COMES NEXT.

BAC is every 1-2 minutes another decision, another choice to be made.

Win? So , do it again. Over-and-over.

Lose? Is it time to go home?

Very, very stressful, until you grasp the ability to apply NOR+ to your decision making process. Then, youapply it properly and judiciously, you can win more than you lose.

Dark and Piper, you dreaming of Making a living off of it????

Better have no house payment

Cheap rent

No car payment

Inexpensive utiilities, including cell phone, cable tv and gas/ electric

Girlfriends / Boyfriends don't demand much

No credit card bills not paid off monthly

OK to exist off canned soup and vegetables, some inexpensive meat and potatoes until you get established

Week 2 week, month2 month, you put everything back into uour bankroll, you have a chance to make a living.

Years 1,2,3 you build bankroll

Years 4,5,6 you start to " breathe" better

Years beyond that, we'll see if you are still in the game, or long since gone bust from lack of discipline...

Sounds harsh, huh?

Well, look around you, ask everyone if they are making a living from BAC, and how much they started with.

We at BTC wish you all the best, and honestly hope someday you will report back your good news!

i am not dreaming i am going to make that reality

because what u say fit me 95%

i got

no house

no car

no credit card

no girlfriend

no money

no stable job

prepaid card phone

the reality is harsh

don't face the reality also pain

face the reality also pain

the different is facing it make the fruit sweeter

is time to wake up and face the reality

job is never down to earth before

casino game is never random before

no one success without facing the reality

no one success without risking

no one gain without pain

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Hey Dark,

Anything is possible but you need money and DISCIPLINE to win!!!

I tried playing this game full time in A.C. Tough to do on a daily basis.

Lots of highs & lows. Get your head wrapped around an easily achievable goal first.

My advice is to learn to win at the $10 tables first if you have them available. Try to win your first 5 units - take a break, review how you won/lost and think about how you could have done it better. MONEY MANAGEMENT IS KEY!!!

ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS : Was it a fight? Am I thinking and seeing things clearly in this casino? Which system would have worked best?

Always be aware of your surroundings and what's going on in the shoe. Sometimes you can win by simply betting with or against other players.

Stay focused and good luck, Ed

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Hey Dark,

Anything is possible but you need money and DISCIPLINE to win!!!

I tried playing this game full time in A.C. Tough to do on a daily basis.

Lots of highs & lows. Get your head wrapped around an easily achievable goal first.

My advice is to learn to win at the $10 tables first if you have them available. Try to win your first 5 units - take a break, review how you won/lost and think about how you could have done it better. MONEY MANAGEMENT IS KEY!!!

ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS : Was it a fight? Am I thinking and seeing things clearly in this casino? Which system would have worked best?

Always be aware of your surroundings and what's going on in the shoe. Sometimes you can win by simply betting with or against other players.

Stay focused and good luck, Ed

thanks edgonsal

u sound like a professional

kachatz sound like a gambler

ur advice is more realistic

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He is giving you the harsh truth. I played with him, Keith, Ellis & other players on Saturday at Sands in PA. He does gamble but he knows what works for him and more importantly he knows how to win! Each of us have to face the moment of truth and bet our money on the unknown. After all that's what gambling is. If you are really ready to give this your all, then you need to find what works best for you. This is one of the toughest ways out there to make money.

I wish that I had a forum like this to read when I started. Do your homework, practice your money management. Know your stuff before you head to the casino. Always mentally prepare yourself to play. Turn of your cell phone and concentrate on your task at hand to win money or control your losses. Learn to trust your gut and skip bets that you don't know. Let the shoe come to you. Walk away from the bad shoes and negative people Stay positive! NEVER GO ALL IN!!! I hope this helps, Ed

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He is giving you the harsh truth. I played with him, Keith, Ellis & other players on Saturday at Sands in PA. He does gamble but he knows what works for him and more importantly he knows how to win! Each of us have to face the moment of truth and bet our money on the unknown. After all that's what gambling is. If you are really ready to give this your all, then you need to find what works best for you. This is one of the toughest ways out there to make money.

I wish that I had a forum like this to read when I started. Do your homework, practice your money management. Know your stuff before you head to the casino. Always mentally prepare yourself to play. Turn of your cell phone and concentrate on your task at hand to win money or control your losses. Learn to trust your gut and skip bets that you don't know. Let the shoe come to you. Walk away from the bad shoes and negative people Stay positive! NEVER GO ALL IN!!! I hope this helps, Ed

well money management part i use what ellis tell me to will do, trusting your gut of placing bets that always work for u don't let any other outcome deceive

you, only bet on what you know you can at battlefield, what you can't only on online live play casino with fake money

about money i have a job i will eventually get some soon i can use a little to built cap first, sorry i don't classified a job as stable unless own by my parent

about toughest way it dose not matter nothing is easy what matters is the fruit

once we master it is no longer tough, tough time don't last tough man do

thats why i learn biz i learn investment

nor is one of the best investment i ever seen.

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Seriously how many of us could work till 60yrs old unless you're a well paid civil servant..

Nowadays many people are considered expired in the job market after 40 ..

Being a card bum is better than being a beach bum as the former has the potential to profit..as the saying goes if you don't bet you can't win but if you have no money you can;t bet

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thanks edgonsal

u sound like a professional

kachatz sound like a gambler

ur advice is more realistic

Dark

Everyone on this forum is a gambler, Whether they are new and just starting out or they have been here a long time and are professionals.

I get the impression that no matter what anybody says, you and pipecub want to believe that you could make a living gambling.

With that said I think the both of you should go try to do that, If you have the bankroll to do so.

Most people have to learn the answer to this question the hard way.

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NormA

Norm A

FOLLOW THE SHOE

WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT

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He is giving you the harsh truth. I played with him, Keith, Ellis & other players on Saturday at Sands in PA. He does gamble but he knows what works for him and more importantly he knows how to win! Each of us have to face the moment of truth and bet our money on the unknown. After all that's what gambling is. If you are really ready to give this your all, then you need to find what works best for you. This is one of the toughest ways out there to make money.

I wish that I had a forum like this to read when I started. Do your homework, practice your money management. Know your stuff before you head to the casino. Always mentally prepare yourself to play. Turn of your cell phone and concentrate on your task at hand to win money or control your losses. Learn to trust your gut and skip bets that you don't know. Let the shoe come to you. Walk away from the bad shoes and negative people Stay positive! NEVER GO ALL IN!!! I hope this helps, Ed

edgonsal is right well i was practicing my gambling skill with online live free play with my latest fine tuning i loss my progression when a friend call how do you guys avoid those gambler that always crow around u and bang u when they trying to place bet, when they see u keep winning and waiter, waitress that try to get u free drinks ?

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Hey Dark,

Thanks for the shout out.

I think of the casino as a snake pit - lose your focus for one second and they will bite you!!!

They are always willing to accept our bets.

Its our job to figure out how to win in THEIR HOUSE.

Its their job to take our money. Simple logic - GET their chips before they get yours!!!!

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Hey Dark,

Thanks for the shout out.

I think of the casino as a snake pit - lose your focus for one second and they will bite you!!!

They are always willing to accept our bets.

Its our job to figure out how to win in THEIR HOUSE.

Its their job to take our money. Simple logic - GET their chips before they get yours!!!!

are those people hire by casino to disturb you?

or they simply trying to grap on people they think has luck?

if they trying to grap your luck why bang you as there is a saying of ruining off when someone bang you

although gambling is never about luck

if they trying to grap wins of your skill why are they doing that make you loss focus?

it makes me puzzle

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Just part of their day to day practice of keeping the odds in their favor. Confusion ALWAYS favors the casino!!!! That's why they blast music, have crazy patterned carpeting and try to keep us in those seats as long as they can. We are comped by the casino by time we play, not the money won or lost. They know that too much time and confusion leads to profits for them.

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