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Dear Beat the casino:

I have just joined this website and have been reading and reading through various forums.

I am from down under, Australia.

I have lost a substantial amount of hard earned money on Baccarat using systems that were promised to give me a huge profit. To be honest with you I have almost lost 1/3 of what I earned this year so you might realise how painful this is. Especially being so early in my life and career.

I want to slowly get it back and do it right.

For many members on this website 600 dollars might not be even 1/2 a bet but to be honest with you even 600 dollars for me right now is a lot of money. I have seen to many too good to be true schemes.

I had a few questions which I hope you can give at least a guestimate:

1. How many hours and how much capital (Bankroll) is required to win 5 units/day? (I am aiming units of 100 dollars to gradually and slowly win back my losses.)

2. playing conservatively (and PLEASE be honest), how long will it take to get back the 600 dollars?

I would be grateful if you could please response.

Regards

ICS

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Dear Beat the casino:

I have just joined this website and have been reading and reading through various forums.

I am from down under, Australia.

I have lost a substantial amount of hard earned money on Baccarat using systems that were promised to give me a huge profit. To be honest with you I have almost lost 1/3 of what I earned this year so you might realise how painful this is. Especially being so early in my life and career.

I want to slowly get it back and do it right.

For many members on this website 600 dollars might not be even 1/2 a bet but to be honest with you even 600 dollars for me right now is a lot of money. I have seen to many too good to be true schemes.

I had a few questions which I hope you can give at least a guestimate:

1. How many hours and how much capital (Bankroll) is required to win 5 units/day? (I am aiming units of 100 dollars to gradually and slowly win back my losses.)

2. playing conservatively (and PLEASE be honest), how long will it take to get back the 600 dollars?

I would be grateful if you could please response.

Regards

ICS

I have heard this same exact story at least a thousand times and it still pains me. Many members here started from about the same straits you find yourself in.

Correct, there are no other winning approaches to Baccarat on the internet. At least no one here has ever found one. Everyone eventually ends up here wishing they had started here.

I can tell from your questions that your whole perception of the game needs to be rebuilt.

For instance it is not about dollars per hour. It is not about bankroll. It is not about hours played. It is not about units per day. It is not about unit size. It is not about goals.

It is solely about how often you bet on the right side vs. how often you don't. And that, in turn, is about finding good opportunities, knowing how to exploit them, and having the discipline to pass up bad opportunities - and knowing the difference. Some days you will find the right opportunity and make a hundred units. Other days you might not even find a game worth playing. If you need to have a goal, here is a good one: On those days when there are no good opportunities, get the hell out of there W/O losing any money. I'll bet there are many times when you wish you had done exactly that. We call that discipline.

OK, here is what you do. Stop playing altogether. Forget everything you think you know. Relearn how to play at home. We will teach you. But right now you have no idea of what you are doing. The next step is to get your game from the kitchen table to the casino successfully. Start small. Players in your shape have no business playing hundred dollar units. Go back to $25 units. We will teach you how to win without ever betting more than 5 units. But start out with a max bet of 3 units. Some of our best players never bet more than two units.

So how do you pay us $600? That's easy. Stop playing and you will have saved that much in 2 days max, won't you.

Maybe we can get some other Aussies to help you. Maybe not - they might be afraid you're contagious.

Any volunteers? Where do you live, mate?

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I have heard this same exact story at least a thousand times and it still pains me. Many members here started from about the same straits you find yourself in.

Correct, there are no other winning approaches to Baccarat on the internet. At least no one here has ever found one. Everyone eventually ends up here wishing they had started here.

I can tell from your questions that your whole perception of the game needs to be rebuilt.

For instance it is not about dollars per hour. It is not about bankroll. It is not about hours played. It is not about units per day. It is not about unit size. It is not about goals.

It is solely about how often you bet on the right side vs. how often you don't. And that, in turn, is about finding good opportunities, knowing how to exploit them, and having the discipline to pass up bad opportunities - and knowing the difference. Some days you will find the right opportunity and make a hundred units. Other days you might not even find a game worth playing. If you need to have a goal, here is a good one: On those days when there are no good opportunities, get the hell out of there W/O losing any money. I'll bet there are many times when you wish you had done exactly that. We call that discipline.

OK, here is what you do. Stop playing altogether. Forget everything you think you know. Relearn how to play at home. We will teach you. But right now you have no idea of what you are doing. The next step is to get your game from the kitchen table to the casino successfully. Start small. Players in your shape have no business playing hundred dollar units. Go back to $25 units. We will teach you how to win without ever betting more than 5 units. But start out with a max bet of 3 units. Some of our best players never bet more than two units.

So how do you pay us $600? That's easy. Stop playing and you will have saved that much in 2 days max, won't you.

Maybe we can get some other Aussies to help you. Maybe not - they might be afraid you're contagious.

Any volunteers? Where do you live, mate?

maybe saving up would be a good way to built the discipline he need i was like him before i used 4 months to save up plus clearing up my credit card debt fully, and researching and gather data from online live free play.

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Hi Ellis

To be honest with you I have lost faith in baccarat.

They say it has the lowest house edge but It seems that i can't even have one profitable session no matter how hard I try.

I was thinking maybe roullette with smaller betting system would be much better.

At darwin casino there are usually only two baccarat tables operating. One with a min of 50 and the other min of 100.

The shoes are extremely choppy.

I tried single, double, triple system (which says singles are double the amount of doubles and doubles are twice as much as triples) but for the past month very few shoes have had the balance.

Thats why i was thinking of switching to Roullete because of very limited table selection here.

Do you have a proven strategy for roullete which i Can purchase??

Thanks in advance

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Hi Ellis

To be honest with you I have lost faith in baccarat.

They say it has the lowest house edge but It seems that i can't even have one profitable session no matter how hard I try.

I was thinking maybe roullette with smaller betting system would be much better.

Hi Sam, I can't help but asking what similar betting system are you referring to ?

At darwin casino there are usually only two baccarat tables operating. One with a min of 50 and the other min of 100.

The shoes are extremely choppy.

In most cases and extremely choppy shoe is the best type of shoe you can get if you know how to play it.

I tried single, double, triple system (which says singles are double the amount of doubles and doubles are twice as much as triples) but for the past month very few shoes have had the balance.

There is no such thing as a single, double, triple system. I get the impression you have been reading some of the information on the public forum,

The information on the public forum is not going to teach you how to play a choppy shoe or any other type of shoe.

Thats why i was thinking of switching to Roullete because of very limited table selection here.

Do you have a proven strategy for roullete which i Can purchase??

I have been playing roulette for over 40 years and I can tell you there is no such thing as a system or strategy for winning roulette. There is literally thousands of roulette systems on the Internet from free to thousands of dollars and none of them work.

There is a way of playing roulette the same way you would play baccarat,but you must first learn how to play baccarat well.

The only way to learn how to play baccarat correctly is to join the private forum and get the manuals, but that's only half the battle it takes a lot of practice, practice, practice and it won't happen overnight.

Thanks in advance

I hope this helps answer some of your questions I am not trying to sell you or convince you to join the private forum I gain nothing from doing that I am only trying to point you in the right direction.

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Norm A

FOLLOW THE SHOE

WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT

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Hi NormA

thank you for your reply.

I was observing two of the roulette wheels last night at the local casino for 3 hours. during the 3 hours period the black/red was between 60% to 65% black against 40 to 35% red.

during that 3 hours If I had betted on a martingale system (with a 10 dollars starting bet) I would have won at least 30 units. As I was really frustrated from a previous game of baccarat which wiped me out I was just sitting having a drink and looking at the wheel. for 3 consecutive hours the table was like that until I left.

that;s why I thought if I observe the wheel again and if one colour is leading for a period of time (1/2 to an hour) then with the martingale system (starting unit $10) with betting pattern of B B R or R R B depending on which colour has been leading for the past hour with the stop loss of $10/20/40/80/160 (last night red never went past three consecutive occurrence) it might give me a chance (although it will be painful and slow) to recover bit by bit over 5 hour sessions.

Don't really know how practical that is.

Look I am not looking for free advise here either but I wish I could see the NOR in real life. I am very confused and scared.

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Hi NormA

thank you for your reply.

I was observing two of the roulette wheels last night at the local casino for 3 hours. during the 3 hours period the black/red was between 60% to 65% black against 40 to 35% red.

during that 3 hours If I had betted on a martingale system (with a 10 dollars starting bet) I would have won at least 30 units. As I was really frustrated from a previous game of baccarat which wiped me out I was just sitting having a drink and looking at the wheel. for 3 consecutive hours the table was like that until I left.

that;s why I thought if I observe the wheel again and if one colour is leading for a period of time (1/2 to an hour) then with the martingale system (starting unit $10) with betting pattern of B B R or R R B depending on which colour has been leading for the past hour with the stop loss of $10/20/40/80/160 (last night red never went past three consecutive occurrence) it might give me a chance (although it will be painful and slow) to recover bit by bit over 5 hour sessions.

Don't really know how practical that is.

Look I am not looking for free advise here either but I wish I could see the NOR in real life. I am very confused and scared.

Sam

Did you read the thread "Young Dave 43" by Ellis? If not you should do so.

The martingale System is the very worst thing you could do, it is something you should really be scared of.

What you described in your observation would have been a very good session to play if you know how to play properly, what you described is a perfect strong side situation (hi disparity) and there is a very specific way of playing this type of situation.

Once again this is just one of the things you would learn in the private forum, also once again I have no financial interest in BTC nor do I get any compensation from them in any way.

My strong advice to you would be to stay out of the casino and save the money that you would normally lose until you have enough join in the private forum.

The one thing that I can guarantee you is that you will never be sorry if and when you do,it will illuminate all your confusion and there will no longer be a reason to be scared.

Just so you know I was in your shoes at one time also. I wasn't born a natural roulette or baccarat player it takes many years to learn.

I wish you luck and whatever your decision is I hope it works out for you, there is an old saying "you could lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"

Norm A

FOLLOW THE SHOE

WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT

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Sam...Listen well to the advice of Norm. He's done the hard yards and is now the Casino's worst nightmare.

His basic unit size nowadays would make you pee your pants...LOL...but he started out the same as the rest of us and built up his bankroll over several years of consistent winning. Like he said...there is hard work involved but consistent winning Baccarat is achievable.

A few bits of advice I would offer you if I may...

I call it "the 3 D's (or don'ts) of Baccarat" but it applies to any casino game.

Don't play any Casino game...or even enter a casino if you are DRUNK...DEPRESSED or DESPERATE.

DRUNK players don't make rational decisions and if you are going to beat the Casino...you have to have all your wits about you

DEPRESSED people shouldn't go near a casino for obvious reasons

DESPERATE players using money that they can't afford to lose, don't think rationally and can pretty quickly join the ranks of the "DEPRESSED"

And in your case...I would add a 4th D...DARWIN...I worked in Darwin for some time and the Casino is a shithole...(pardon my language) and I wouldn't play there with my Motherinlaw's money.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying that any of the above (apart from Darwin) apply to you but I am saying that you can beat the system...but you have to keep a clear head and do the hard yards required. There is no "QUICK FIX" (that doesn't mean that you won't start winning straight away...many novice BTC members do) but it will take time for you to absorb and put into practice all that you will learn...The best players on here that have been winning for many years readily admit to still be refining and improving their skills...it's a never ending learning process.

Also...The Private Forum is full of "Good People"...people that most wouldn't associate with Casino winners...and they are in the main only too willing to help in your growth.

And then...there is Ellis...I haven't quite figured him out yet...I'm not sure whether he is motivated by a philanthropic need to help people by turning them into "WINNERS" or if he is driven by an almost psychopathic hatred for the casino bosses that have been cheating people for untold years...probably a little of both...LOL ...but he is only a PM away...or even a phone call...and he wants to turn you into a winner.

And then there is me...Ellis is a former University Lecturer and I'm certain as such that he would have placed me in the "Slow Learner"s Class" when I first joined...but thanks to his patience and the patience of many in the Private Forum...I am now a consistent winner myself and hopefully I too can pass on some of what I have learned.

OK...enough of my ranting...

Some serious advice...You and I both know that the cost of living in Darwin is horrendous...but so are the incomes.

Get your head together...avoid that crap Casino like the plague...save your pennies and as soon as you can afford it...buy the NOR Membership.

And then...if you are still in Darwin...there are heaps of LIVE DEALER ONLINE CASINOS that we Aussie players can access with minimum bets as low as $1 which can be used to refine your skills as you put the principles of NOR into practice.

Good luck...and I hope to see you in the Private Forum sometime soon

Oz

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Hi,

I bought our NOr System 600 $ , but I got just 23 page pdf, no complete example. It's not clear for me. How can I get a clear package with a few examples ?

Who can explain to me?

TNX

Hi TNX,

You can start here:

http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7705

It's a thread I started after I joined a month ago. It's only 3 pages long and you will see the link to the 6 sample shoes about 3 posts down or so.

Regards,

Glenn

"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison

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Hi

I read a lot but modes of NOR it's not clear for me. ex in gamenor1, after 2 loses switch to opposite sometime we continue 3 in the row?! base on nor after 2 loses must switch to OTR but sometimes continue 3 in row? is there more info about modes?

TNX and Merry Christmas

I've written some specialized instruction on modes which maybe some of the guys could direct you to. But basicly Mode 2 (2 losses) is our streak mode and mode 3 (3 losses) is our chop mode. That is a little more accurate than the 3rd bet rule. But until you can distinguish streak from chop, the 3rd bet rule is the best indicator.

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