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Welcome to BTC! You now have complete access to the very best Baccarat instruction in the world. That is not just my assessment. It is the assessment of our members who have tried all other Baccarat instruction sites and ended up here. I can tell you for a fact that we have the only consistent Baccarat winners in the world. Here is how you catch up with them.

1. Read your NOR manual and as you study the NOR forum go back and read your manual again and again.

2. Ask for the link to the 6 sample games that are part of your NOR manual.

3. Get yourself some quarter inch graph paper pads (Walmart)

4. Practice the 3 NOR systems until you can play them all fluently at casino speed. Pay close attention to how to select the right system.

5. AFTER studying your manual and the NOR forum. Ask any questions directly on the forum. There is no such thing as a dumb question at BTC and winning members like to help beginners. They were once beginners too and started out in the same state of confusion you are in right now.

6. Next learn NOR+.

7. Once you have all that down pat you can proceed to the 4D forum. The 4D uses elements of NOR W/O going back and reteaching so you MUST know NOR thoroughly before approaching the 4D.

8. Learn how to net bet. The instructions are within the 4D threads.

9. Learn both the high side and the low side of the 4D. The 4D is decidedly more complex and you may decide to stick with NOR. That is fine because NOR is a stand alone winning Baccarat approach.

10. Pay NO attention to other systems and threads when you are starting out. They are just there for reference if you want to see how we got to where we are.

11. Specialized and advanced training is available to you via recorded Webinars as well as basic NOR.

12. We also have periodic seminars mostly at the Dealer School in Vegas.

13. BTC is the friendliest gaming forum on the internet. Keep it that way. We are all adults here. Opinions are fine. Arguing is not.

Do not post on this thread - use the appropriate forum thread.

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Two words of advice for new members:

1.) Do not play casinos for hard earned money until we teach you how.

2.) Casinos are not your friend. They just pretend to be. Their job is to beat you - any way they can.

WE are your friends now.

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Two words of advice for new members:

1.) Do not play casinos for hard earned money until we teach you how.

2.) Casinos are not your friend. They just pretend to be. Their job is to beat you - any way they can.

WE are your friends now.

Come on Davis,

Seriously is that all?????!!!!!!!!

Where are the links??

Where are the terminologies.

Lets face it. For 600 dollars you have BC has tonprovide a decent and a much better manual.

I am not a pessimist and nor want to talk this site down but its so unfai.

Your approach is so unprofessional.

Maybe you as the master trainer can sit down for a week and bring all the information into a proper ebook so that people don't have to go forth and back reading wrong and write information.

David this is not fair.

The more I read the forums the more confused i get.

I am so frustrated.

What you have said in this thread doesn't help the least.

S40, F, OTB4L, MODE 2 and 3 need a much better explanation. Can you at least provide the links to these items amongst the thousands of threads on the forum.

Where are the samples.

Is this the support you guys were talking about when Initially wanted to joon.

I was told that people will love to help you. Where are those people? Where are the professional members who wanted to help???

Come on.

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Hi Sam,

Take a nice warm cup of tea.

It takes discipline, perseverance, desire, practice, etc... to win.

One person may see an irrelevant post and another might think its valid

discussion.

You can learn something from almost any post. Something.

You cant win overnight. It may take years or even never happen.

Take this next advice as the most important of all: only those who under stand the

"whys" behind why something is happening will be the true winners. You cannot learn a strictly

mechanical, "all rules listed in order", way of beating the casinos. They are TOO smart for that.

Again, intelligence is understanding WHY something is happening.

Please take the time to filter out what you feel is irrelevant and print out all the

relevant facts to study. Do not enter a casino for a year after you do that.

Now I dont play strictly NOR, but the reasoning behind it is priceless. I now know

WHY everything is the way it is at the casinos. And believe me, $600 dollars is a joke

now for me. Not bragging, just trying to help.

This post, as I feel it is relevant, is meant only to try and help!

All the best Sam!!!

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Hi Sam,

Take a nice warm cup of tea.

It takes discipline, perseverance, desire, practice, etc... to win.

One person may see an irrelevant post and another might think its valid

discussion.

You can learn something from almost any post. Something.

You cant win overnight. It may take years or even never happen.

Take this next advice as the most important of all: only those who under stand the

"whys" behind why something is happening will be the true winners. You cannot learn a strictly

mechanical, "all rules listed in order", way of beating the casinos. They are TOO smart for that.

Again, intelligence is understanding WHY something is happening.

Please take the time to filter out what you feel is irrelevant and print out all the

relevant facts to study. Do not enter a casino for a year after you do that.

Now I dont play strictly NOR, but the reasoning behind it is priceless. I now know

WHY everything is the way it is at the casinos. And believe me, $600 dollars is a joke

now for me. Not bragging, just trying to help.

This post, as I feel it is relevant, is meant only to try and help!

All the best Sam!!!

Look I agree with you.

I don't want a mechanical system.

But it's so damn hard to find the relevant information. AND you don't know if that piece of information is right or not.

It's so frustrating. I am so pissed off.

The more I read the threads the more confused I get. I don't want to sound like a broken record but this is not fair.

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Sam, I agree with you to a degree. As a newer member, I do think that for the money that is being charged, the manual needs to be revised. For $600.00, all questions should be answered in the manual with the finer points in the forum. It does get frustrating but it all takes time and more important, patience. With that being said, I cannot argue with the results. I have been a member for a few months now and I can tell you I have made a 1,200 % on my $600 investment. I am in NJ and practice on the newly formed online gambling. I bet only a $1.00 at a clip. Because of that, I am able to practice practice practice. I am a police officer in NJ and will be retiring in a few years. I am VERY ENCOURAGED that the better I get in NOR and hopefully the SAP or 4D, I can make this a very profitable little gig when retired. I am sold.

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Hi Mr. Vince i too am from NJ Clementon Area!! I just got the manual today ive read it twice and am now going through the forum...i suggest you go on you tube search nor baccarat and see the videos they will help alot.. Vince are you telling me you won 7200 betting 1 dollar at a time on an RNG baccarat game online in NJ? That has got to be a world record Ellis whats the player advantage there!! Its sad NJ doesnt have a Live Dealer Casino its rediculous ...the first one that does it will get the lions share!! Cheers Mike ps we can all learn together!!

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Well, let's clarify what McVince actually meant first???

Yes, it would be nice to have everything in an orderly fashion.

The problem is we don't learn stuff in an orderly fashion.

We can't be rewrting manuals every time we learn something. If we did we'd be spending all our time rewriting with no time to learn anything new.

BTW, $600 is less than a tenth of the going rate to learn a Martingale progression which doesn't work to boot.

For most members here BTC was not their first gig - they just wish it was.

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All,

OK, I can't stand it any longer.

I will scan the appropriate pages from my NOR manual of the six sample shoes, and get them posted up later tonight once the computer get's some free time.

They will post in this thread as almost all new people eventually show up here anyway!

MVS

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All,

OK, I can't stand it any longer.

I will scan the appropriate pages from my NOR manual of the six sample shoes, and get them posted up later tonight once the computer get's some free time.

They will post in this thread as almost all new people eventually show up here anyway!

MVS

Hi MVS & golfgirl,

There is a thread called NOR Sample Instructional Sample Games started by Keith 12-03-11

which contains the links to the 6 sample games imbedded in the first post. (i didn't check to see if they work)

I found the thread by searching for "sample games" or "instructional"

Hope this saves someone some work.

Wendel.

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All,

OK, this is hopefully what most of the new members are asking for as the originals that were on the forum were lost in the Great Server Crash of 2013.

If this is NOT what we're looking for, please let me know and I'll see if I can track down the elusive six samples!! :smile:

MVS

Sample Shoe 1.

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Sample Shoe 2.

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Sample Shoe 3.

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Sample Shoe 4.

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Sample Shoe 5.

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Sample Shoe 6.

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Hi MVS how are you...i'm all for cleaning up the site if you would like me to help tell me how...we dont use RD1 and Adot and alot of other systems they should be erased from the forum only the relative stuff...NOR NOR+ 4D 2-2-1 progression NBJ and the Roulette section needs to be updated....as for rewriting the manual its in PDF form its 2-3 diagrams and a better explanation i can help with that as well make a sticky that says updated manual and 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 download the latest one and it avoids all the same questions being asked and Ellis getting a massive headache ....we all should be posting shoes myself included i have a 60 Vegas shoes from Norm A god rest his soul if you want it PM me i'll email it to you unless MVS can tell me where the paperclip is to download them to a post Lets clean up this site and get it more organized get some stickys up and start posting some shoes guys....by the way MVS i'll help anyway i can

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Hi MVS how are you...i'm all for cleaning up the site if you would like me to help tell me how...we dont use RD1 and Adot and alot of other systems they should be erased from the forum only the relative stuff...NOR NOR+ 4D 2-2-1 progression NBJ and the Roulette section needs to be updated....as for rewriting the manual its in PDF form its 2-3 diagrams and a better explanation i can help with that as well make a sticky that says updated manual and 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 download the latest one and it avoids all the same questions being asked and Ellis getting a massive headache ....we all should be posting shoes myself included i have a 60 Vegas shoes from Norm A god rest his soul if you want it PM me i'll email it to you unless MVS can tell me where the paperclip is to download them to a post Lets clean up this site and get it more organized get some stickys up and start posting some shoes guys....by the way MVS i'll help anyway i can

Says you. Quite presumptuous of you to think that.

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Are you still using ADOT bigvic? the last post was 2010 if adot will help me win more i'm all for it but it seems abandoned...i'm trying to help to make things better Ellis cant do it all hiself he said it himself. Do you think the NOR manual is complete ..dont you see the same questions being answered over and over again the NOR bootcamp manual should be the manual imho.... Presumptuous no wanting to see improvement yes and if i have the time why not...i'm not trying to argue with you buddy but i'm not the only one that feels this way!!

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