Users jsintl Posted August 14, 2016 Users Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Is charting really necessary in Baccarat? I know that many people rely only from the tote board, Is the tote board enough to know where the shoe is going. I'm always charting in my play to guide me in my decision to bet or not to bet. Comments are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 I record my play to 1) Ensure my betting amount is correct (although its 90% flat betting) 2) To have a record of the shoe data as it finishes 3) To record my playing statistics (% win/loss etc) I make my decisions mentally from the tote board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad01 Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Mine is same as Pando's 2 and 3 above. Mine flat bet all the way so don't need to remember amount I do record some info but mostly look at tote board I found when I was recording too much it took my mind off what was actually happening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Great point Brad, and I know it sounds redundant, but too much is too much, and not enough isn't enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 add to 1) and to reconcile my bankroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad01 Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Good point Pando Anyone who plays live will know the importance of knowing exactly how much you are up or down at any moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Yes especially when there are Banker 6's which pay half in the shoe I am meticulous with my physical money management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Action Mike Posted September 19, 2016 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 In addition to Pando's reasons, I'll add the following reasons for charting: To remind myself I'm playing for profit, not playing for fun. To later add the information into the StatsForProfits system. 1 Quote Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Figure out a way to win at baccarat that fits your lifestyle, you don't have to eat fish anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted September 19, 2016 Users Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 I chart for many reasons. 1. To have a record of the shoe to enter the abbreviated shoe data in an ongoing excel sheet with all my other shoes, including unit results. 2. To keep track of unit wins/losses. 3. Categorize the shoe as easy or difficult for possible replay later. 4. To upload the shoe to stats for profits and record shoe number for recall later. 5. For some shoes I will make a voice recording of hand by hand results on my smart phone recorder to practice at a future date and share with fellow players. 6. I just started doing this. I'm using the find feature on excel to see which sequences are more popular than others. For instance, I found from my data that a 221 (BBPPB) happens 70% of the time as opposed to a 222 (BBPPBB) which happens only 30% of the time. So when I see a 221, I bet opposite or wait. That play has a 70% hit rate. That is important information on a common sequence. CT70 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad01 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Some great hints and ideas there CT I took a look at your 221 trigger last night and it won 2 of 3 in the shoe I was playing with an opposite 2 of 3 = 66.6% Close to your recorded 70% average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 This is a very useful observation by CT70, and now confirmed by Brad I will be keeping an eye on these 221 plays when I am playing at the week end. Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Baccman Posted September 20, 2016 Users Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Didn't pay close attention of %, but i saw that 221 hits more often then 222, that was little wierd to me because i think that Norm trigger for OT was 221...but if you back up it with some recent history and SAP maybe it works better. Think that PJ can give some advice about this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad01 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Could be totally dependant on the shoes you play or experience but I can say for me I appear to get similar results to what CT said Its a great suggestion by Ct to break down short common series and record outcomes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted September 21, 2016 Users Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Guys, please hold off on using the 221 trigger to play an opposite. One of our fellow players brought something to my attention that I hadn't realized when using the "find" feature in the excel program. I will let you know my findings in a few days. Sorry for the confusion. I will share what we find. Thanks CT70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Baccman Posted September 21, 2016 Users Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 What i really think is that there is no mechanical trigger that will give us better then 50% hit rate. To get better then 50% on any event you need to support it with some recent history. Just my 2 c 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 OK guys, here is my data I looked through 70 shoes (I agree not statistically many) and found the following; 221 occurred 51 (54%) times in those shoes, 222 occurred 43 (46%) times in those same shoes Where there was 2221, I counted as both I guess the jury is still out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Respectfully and with great admiration for the work each person does, the viewpoint of a trigger percentage would be accordingly to the type of shoe. Sometimes more, and sometimes less. Looking at the overall stats of numerous shoes and the current stats of the present shoe. Edited September 22, 2016 by avion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barneypip Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 Hey even if the hit difference was "only" 54% for a 221 vs. 46% for a 222, isn't that enough to warrant a trigger? With the house edge at only 1.3%, I'll take an 8% advantage any day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad01 Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 As Pando said his sample size of 70 shoes is not really enough to say and also they are from a specific casino where he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 28, 2017 Users Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 4 hours ago, brad01 said: As Pando said his sample size of 70 shoes is not really enough to say and also they are from a specific casino where he plays. From what I've been noticing in my casino is, if the shoe is definitely an OTB4L shoe, then go with 222, if it's more of an S40 or non-OTB4L shoe, then go with 2211. If it's still early in the shoe and too early to tell, then look at your SAP count to see what's running higher 1s or 2s. Sometimes if it's early in the shoe though 1s and 2s are almost equal and too early to tell. If that's the case, just "wait it out" or bet tie only with a very small bet. CT70 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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