BacPlayer Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Hi experts, i joined recently and downloaded the materials in the site. I feel there are way too many systems/approaches /progressions and I am very confused which system to use/where to start In one of the videos it says S40 and OTB4L are the only 2 systems that are required. In another thread I see S40M1 and 4D/5D. RD1 etc etc. Can someone point me to the materials of RD1 and SAP? Also to other materials that are essential Also please point me to the order in which these materials need to be consumed. thank you in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Looi Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Welcome to the journey of learning, testing , trying and error. There are only two destination success and give up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XDN Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Welcome! I've only been here a year or so and i'm just starting to have a clue :-) In my opinion, the most important thing to understand when starting out is you cannot play any of the the methods strait through the whole shoe. As a new player, that will only bring you big losses and discouragement. Definitely learn the NOR systems and play them on PAPER until you see this. There is no 1 system, most shoes exhibit multiple patterns that can be exploited by a particular system for a short time. The idea here is to identify them, play them for a couple of bets and wait to identify the next pattern. Another way to think about it is, the systems here are not trying to teach you to win every bet in the shoe. They are trying to identify the few "best bets" in the shoe and win 51% of those. There are experts here who do much better than 51% but they have years of experience. As a new player, if you play break even while you are learning you are doing great! In closing, I said this to another person a while back. If you memorized Michael Jordans "How I play basketball" book, cover to cover, would you be able to play like him? It's the same here, read what the forum has to offer, ask a bunch of questions, play a bunch of shoes on paper and a little in the casino to start getting that practical experience. Best of luck! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XDN Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, XDotNet said: Welcome! I've only been here a year or so and i'm just starting to have a clue :-) In my opinion, the most important thing to understand when starting out is you cannot play any of the the methods strait through the whole shoe. As a new player, that will only bring you big losses and discouragement. Definitely learn the NOR systems and play them on PAPER until you see this. There is no 1 system, most shoes exhibit multiple patterns that can be exploited by a particular system for a short time. The idea here is to identify them, play them for a couple of bets and wait to identify the next pattern. Another way to think about it is, the systems here are not trying to teach you to win every bet in the shoe. They are trying to identify the few "best bets" in the shoe and win 51% of those. There are experts here who do much better than 51% but they have years of experience. As a new player, if you play break even while you are learning you are doing great! In closing, I said this to another person a while back. If you memorized Michael Jordans "How I play basketball" book, cover to cover, would you be able to play like him? It's the same here, read what the forum has to offer, ask a bunch of questions, play a bunch of shoes on paper and a little in the casino to start getting that practical experience. Best of luck! Addition>> Stay the heck away from negative progressions until you can hit better than 51% wins flat betting ESPECIALLY starting out. Edited August 18, 2016 by XDotNet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Awesome post XDotNet......the example of Michael Jordan is spot on. Every team in the NBA tried so many different approaches to shut him down. So he had to not just be a great athlete, he had to be very smart and adjust to what was being thrown at him. Same thing in what the casino will throw at us, we have to learn to adjust, each and every shoe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I reckon that you should turn your argument (and frustration) around the other way Just learn ONE method, and then practice, practice, practice. (It took me 2 years to get one system ironed out in my mind) You have to know what kind of shoe and circumstances it will win or loose in That way you can select the good shoes for which ever method you have become an expert in You will see that by doing that you obey all the rules on the forum, such as picking the right shoe, not betting every hand, controlling your bank roll, and good money management. One follows the other to a large extent. Perhaps just learn S40 (3 modes) - its quite straight forward, limits your bets and can win big units IN THE RIGHT SHOE Hope this helps 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I agree with Pando. He kept emphasizing to me what he does. One of the best aspects he emphasized is to look for the type of shoe that you know you will win. It takes a lot of at home practice in learning to be able to identify the type of shoe you are looking for, with the strategy that you have chosen to use. I spent over 5 hours at my local casino yesterday, just charting shoes, hoping to find the type of shoe I was looking for. Finally the 5th shoe I saw was the type I had been looking for and won +10 units. It is worth waiting for, and not getting all stressed out over losing in trying to play every shoe there is. Patience is essential in waiting for the type of shoe you want. Thank you Pando, you taught me well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Well done Avion Its interesting that we can read something, and read it again without really understanding it fully Then suddenly, one piece of advice or word of experience from another player can be the final key to total understanding It happened to me, and it will happen to others 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmtong Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 One of the hardest things about "Starting Out" is that you get access to all this great stuff on here and the "temptation" is always to want to go and play it too soon after you "think" you have an understanding of it, when in "reality" you should do just the opposite. You have to "resist this natural temptation" to want to "play it too soon". How do you get to a level of "correct understanding", well you have to study hard and then study some more. I think there is not a single player in this forum who has not been "confused" at some point when trying to get a "handle" on this game. In fact I think I safely say that the really good/great players are the ones who strive to build on their understanding of the game. By that I mean that you have to constantly "review" your method of play and then ask yourself "could I have done something different here", "would it have been better had I..WAITED that scenario or situation out" ("If in Doubt, Wait it Out"- Norm.) Clarity and those "ah ha - great" moments will come, but they will only come to YOU provided you put in the necessary time to practice, study and review. There is only one true measure of success in this game and that is your results. If your results show that are losing money, then YOU are doing something "in-correctly", and guess who is the going to "correct" that? This forum exists for many reasons (right Keith) There are a lot of good people here that can provide you with advise and help answer your questions, but it is up to you to learn from that advise and those answers. You ARE going to have "tough times" when playing this game and your job is to learn how to "manage and navigate" your way through them. "Stick with it"..don't give up..if you dont understand something WE are here to help you..but in the end, you are the one ultimately responsible for helping youself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Great post mjmtong. My favorite quote "lose but don't lose the lesson". Second favorite quote relating to what is being shared......"The magic happens when you are working at it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted August 19, 2016 Users Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Unfortunately the answer to win at bacc is to be able to play all biases as potentially they could all occur throughout 1 shoe at different points Oz summarised all of them in a recent post and mentioned its not unusual to play all in the one shoe; S40 RD1 OTBL TBL / S40M1 SS In that post it was also mentioned that SS overrules all when its dominant My advice would be to learn all but to start off playing by recognising and playing SS only When you can go through a shoe and recognise when a SS bias comes up or more importantly when it doesn't and are able to target a few units and win if you pick it right and be patient enough to not chase it and wait for next run if you don't pick it right - then you know how to win and you just need to duplicate what you did with SS on all other biases. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted August 19, 2016 Users Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 If you want a SS trigger then I may suggest; Look for a 1 on the weak side and a 3 or more on the SS PBBB = banker SS This is minimum 4 or more is maybe better also you can wait to see if the SS loses and still comes back strong: 1312 PBBBPBB = banker SS has lost and come back If you notice naturals and good draws on SS that's also a good sign to back it up If you play roulette you will see lines of reds say with single black numbers in between - same thing Look for this to start with and win with this 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avion Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Great advice Brad, and thanks for re-posting Oz's summary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacPlayer Posted August 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Awesome advices guys.. Thanks...You guys are really very knowledgable.. Brad.. are there advices of what are the triggers to shift from one system to another... for Ex: say start with S40. Switch to OTB4L when you see __________________ or switch to TB4L when you see __________________ Go to SS when you see ________________________ etc.. Is this information available elsewhere in the forum? Also is there a categorization of System likes and dislikes For Ex: S40 Likes - Choppy shoes ZZ, Dislikes - TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XDN Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 BacPlayer - Heres a good thread...again playing on paper first will help you understand whats happening :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted August 19, 2016 Users Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Yes Xdot is right I listed the triggers I saw as good in 3 Events Method Both way2fast and kachatz both said it looked ok so they must have been ok My basis for the triggers was 4 straight wins or 3 of 4 for the bias you are looking for. Eg 2111 if you apply to S40 = LWWW (3 of 4 wins) 1111 = WWWW Previous history can negate these triggers so its a case by case situation. I would suggest you read a recent thread called IBac scam. Oz talks about picking a bias with a probing bet and then talks about a 'bias within a bias' Also about whether a loss is just a 'blip' in the bias and it will return or its a sign of a change to a new bias - waiting it out to see rather than keep betting These are all things you have to consider and learn In regards to what NOR system likes what - Ellis when he was on this forum was a big one for that: 1's and 1's and 2's = S40 2's and 2's and 3's = OTBL 1's and 3+'s (no 2's) = TBL / S40M1 3+'s with low 1's = F or RD1 or repeats Theres a chart someone posted on Premum Members 'Uncle Kevin's Cheat Sheet' It shows all of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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