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Danny Rose says:

The true one and only sign that you’re an invincible BACCARAT PLAYER,guessed what? It’s when the eye in the sky down to the janitor in the rest room. people you don’t know, are no longer subservient to your needs and treat you indifferently.You are now public enemy no.1 !! ?

This post on the other forum takes the cake for many reasons for which I cannot share.  

I can say that for 99% of us that play this game, you are not even a blip on their radar.  Yes there are those whales out there but that is the 1%.  IMO, MOST of the whales out there are whales because of their bankrolls and not their skill.  I see it in my casino.  Everyone flocks to the guy who is throwing up 3k a hand and when he wins it's great and everyone doesn't bet until that guy bets BECAUSE HE KNOWS.  A short time later that guy throwing up 3k a hand EVERY HAND is either leaving talking to himself or is at the ATM.  

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1 hour ago, McVince said:
From the other forum:
 
Danny Rose says:

The true one and only sign that you’re an invincible BACCARAT PLAYER,guessed what? It’s when the eye in the sky down to the janitor in the rest room. people you don’t know, are no longer subservient to your needs and treat you indifferently.You are now public enemy no.1 !! ?

This post on the other forum takes the cake for many reasons for which I cannot share.  

I can say that for 99% of us that play this game, you are not even a blip on their radar.  Yes there are those whales out there but that is the 1%.  IMO, MOST of the whales out there are whales because of their bankrolls and not their skill.  I see it in my casino.  Everyone flocks to the guy who is throwing up 3k a hand and when he wins it's great and everyone doesn't bet until that guy bets BECAUSE HE KNOWS.  A short time later that guy throwing up 3k a hand EVERY HAND is either leaving talking to himself or is at the ATM.  

So true McVince.

Whales have a lot of money but they don't know how to play. Their large bankrolls makes them potentially dangerous because sometimes they get lucky and can take the casino for a lot. But 99% of the time, if they play long enough, the casino will get it back.

CT70

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Hmm... The original claims about MvD were outrageously high... 15 to 20 units per shoe. Then this...
 
I failed to mention Carlos’s avg score for his 50 shoes. How could I forget such an important detail? It was 10.8 units per
shoe.
BTW, Carlos called to tell me our MvD new game start procedure would have greatly improved his overall performance in his 50 shoes results.
 
Meanwhile I averaged +11 over all 28 shoes I played in the casino.
 
Then "REALITY" sets in...

Hey Guys
Now that we got a better technique with MvD it’s pretty much makes 5 units per shoe very doable. "Doable" is another word for "possible"...LOL

 

Then MvD HIT RATE...

Also because MvD is so powerful as a Mechanical way over all the different variances that the Casino shoes are now producing with pre shuffled cards, it’s hitting at approximately 75% hit rate Player Advantage average

Again, "reality" sets in...

 

Ellis Davis says:

Carlos’s hit rate for the 50 shoes was 60.73%.

I think I’ll just let that speak for itself.

I’m sure it is a Baccarat record – by a mile. "WANNA BET?"...LMFAO

 

Funny how expectations seem to lower as more and more players get the s##ts...LOL

 

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Wait wait oz the best part was when he said he played 28 shoes in a casino......

 

I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals"

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From the "Forum that cannot be named"
 
Ellis Davis says:

How to REGISTER for the May 8th Vegas Invincible Player seminar:

 

Guys be sure to Register. We need an accurate official head count to know what size room to get. We don’t want anybody getting there only to find we ran out of room.

I wouldn't stress out too much Ellis...Given recent cancellations of Seminars and low participation of paying attendees at others...I figure that a half decent telephone box should do the trick...

I know...I know...Bad Oz!

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9 hours ago, ozscouser1 said:
From the "Forum that cannot be named"
 
Ellis Davis says:

How to REGISTER for the May 8th Vegas Invincible Player seminar:

 

Guys be sure to Register. We need an accurate official head count to know what size room to get. We don’t want anybody getting there only to find we ran out of room.

I wouldn't stress out too much Ellis...Given recent cancellations of Seminars and low participation of paying attendees at others...I figure that a half decent telephone box should do the trick...

I know...I know...Bad Oz!

Seminars...Seminars...Seminars ???.......HAS TIME FOR SEMINARS , BUT CLAIMS FOR VARIOUS REASONS ....his health, water lines froze , girlfriends in the hospital....computer broke down AGAIN !!.........etc etc etc...........MANUAL THAT HE TOOK PEOPLES MONEY FOR OVER 2 YEARS AGO ...HAS NOT HAD TIME TO FINISH !! .........

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No point to finish it Johnny the casino spies have already hacked the computer and made every strategy redundant.

Only way is to learn the next best system before they find out

Now hurry up and register before its too late!!

 

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1 hour ago, brad01 said:

No point to finish it Johnny the casino spies have already hacked the computer and made every strategy redundant.

Only way is to learn the next best system before they find out

Now hurry up and register before its too late!!

 

 

Yeah...Those sneaky Casino Bastards change the cards everytime they see Ellis and his Disciples enter the Casino...

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I purchased Ellis  mvd  system.   It does work well   WHEN  the shoe agrees with it.   I can say this.   There is a best system for every shoe, mvd, nor, mdb,   BUT, also  there is a shoe that can beat each system.   So, overall does this not make baccarat   End up at 50/50 anyways?

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2 hours ago, BigChips said:

I purchased Ellis  mvd  system.   It does work well   WHEN  the shoe agrees with it.   I can say this.   There is a best system for every shoe, mvd, nor, mdb,   BUT, also  there is a shoe that can beat each system.   So, overall does this not make baccarat   End up at 50/50 anyways?

 
 

There is no system and there never will be a system that will beat every shoe and what are in effect "Mechanical Systems" like MvD and MDB, will hit a lot more losing shoes than those who "Follow the Shoe".  To follow the shoe means that you are letting the shoe tell you what to do (as much as is possible) When I'm playing, I am scrutinising over 20 separate happenings/events in the shoe to aid my decisions. I am watching for the same events as every system that you have listed but they are only a small part of my thought process. You have to look at the whole picture. Ellis didn't invent MvD...it is a variation on Pattern Recognition and it will win some...lose some.

If you have access to the Private Forum, I will try and find time to list all the events that I'm noting before I make each decision to bet, but not out here in the Public Arena.

 

I owe Ellis a lot because, without him, I wouldn't have got started, but others along the way have helped me as much and even then some. 

He without doubt, has a brilliant mind for Baccarat but he has had only one teacher...himself... I, on the other hand, was able to pick Ellis's brain and was then taken to a greater level by other equally as gifted players. 

 

Like I said...Ellis has a brilliant mathematical mind well suited to Baccarat...but one of us earns his living solely from Baccarat (and Roulette) and the other, sells systems...

Go figure...

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On 3/29/2017 at 1:13 AM, johnnycs1 said:

Seminars...Seminars...Seminars ???.......HAS TIME FOR SEMINARS , BUT CLAIMS FOR VARIOUS REASONS ....his health, water lines froze , girlfriends in the hospital....computer broke down AGAIN !!.........etc etc etc...........MANUAL THAT HE TOOK PEOPLES MONEY FOR OVER 2 YEARS AGO ...HAS NOT HAD TIME TO FINISH !! .........

 
 

Personally...I think the Seminars that Ellis runs are a good idea, because it gives the same old crew a chance to meet up and socialise some... kinda like Baccarat Groupies.

 

Socialising apart...in the main it does seem to be the same people fronting up each time with a few extra bods to help pay the bills. I'm not sure what they expect different this next Seminar to the one before, and the one before that...but Albert Einstein had his own thoughts on the subject..."Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." (Substitute "Stupidity" for "Insanity" and I think Einstein nailed it)

One is even bringing his son along...LOL!...Who wakes up one morning and has a lightbulb moment?..."I think I'll take my son along to a Seminar so that he too can learn to lose money just like his Dad"

 

 

I know...I know...BAD OZ!

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Wait?    So Ellis loses when he plays baccarat in a casino?   Yikes.   Then,  he should  not be qualified to teach  or sell manuals or do seminars    Just my opinion.   I feel Oz is qualified   And if there are others also doing as well    I would love your input.   I have been struggling with this game for so long    Obt4l   Does well  then i lose     I play nor   Do well  then lose       Mvd   Do good  then lose Do  MDB   Do well  then lose    So,   It does not seem to matter what I do,  in the end    I lose   Never ahead.    Even 4D   Do well Then lose 

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1 hour ago, BigChips said:

Wait?    So Ellis loses when he plays baccarat in a casino?   Yikes.   Then,  he should  not be qualified to teach  or sell manuals or do seminars    Just my opinion.   I feel Oz is qualified   And if there are others also doing as well    I would love your input.   I have been struggling with this game for so long    Obt4l   Does well  then i lose     I play nor   Do well  then lose       Mvd   Do good  then lose Do  MDB   Do well  then lose    So,   It does not seem to matter what I do,  in the end    I lose   Never ahead.    Even 4D   Do well Then lose 

Hi BigChps,

Regarding your comment that Oz should be the teacher.

It's not in the best interest of winning players like Oz to spend their time teaching. They make much more money by just playing. Moreover, no one can afford nor are they willing to pay a real pro the actual value of what their advice/methodology is worth. Would you be willing or even capable of paying $100K (and even that would be a bargain)  to learn a method that will make you a consistent winner in every shoe? Imagine how much you can make with such information at your fingertips? 

Does this reasoning make sense to you?

CT70

 

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If you have access to the Private Forum, I will try and find time to list all the events that I'm noting before I make each decision to bet, but not out here in the Public Arena.

Oz, Thank you for the offer to put that information in the Private Forum. I for one would really appreciate such a valuable contribution

regards Pando

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I would like to nominate Oz for PR person of this forum

I think he should run seminars etc

He is such a people person and displays a lot of patience in teaching beginners! 

 

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17 minutes ago, BigChips said:

CT70,   Is it possible to win every shoe,  every day?

I would say it's possible to win 85%. I define a win as 3 to 20 units per shoe but usually around 10 to 15 units. My stop loss is -4, however I'm starting the shoe with 1/2 units until I get to +1, then I start flat betting full units. This delays hitting my stop loss and gives me 8 chances to get and stay positive.

CT70

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3 hours ago, brad01 said:

I would like to nominate Oz for PR person of this forum

I think he should run seminars etc

He is such a people person and displays a lot of patience in teaching beginners! 

 

 

Cheeky sod...LMFAO

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4 hours ago, Pando said:

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If you have access to the Private Forum, I will try and find time to list all the events that I'm noting before I make each decision to bet, but not out here in the Public Arena.

Oz, Thank you for the offer to put that information in the Private Forum. I for one would really appreciate such a valuable contribution

regards Pando

 

No worries Pando...I'll make a point of listing everything that I'm looking at for each hand. It looks daunting at first but not so hard once you grasp a few ideas.

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1 hour ago, BigChips said:

Hi Oz  or anyone,  do you win daily.  Meaning even on a visit  lose some shoes but, still win each day visit?   And every visit?

I win most days, but I don't win every day...because no-one can win every shoe. My STOP/LOSS is  -3 units and in the unlikely event that I hit two consecutive losing shoes first up, I quit the Casino for the day. That gives me a max loss of -6/day which I may hit once a month on average. There is no sound mathematical reason for this habit but it has psychological benefits. My average WIN per shoe is in double figures with just Flat Betting and having the comforting knowledge that my worst day will only take me half a shoe to recover is a real boost.

It takes DISCIPLINE to quit when you are ahead...

It takes DISCIPLINE to observe your S/L and not chase losses when behind...

It takes even more DISCIPLINE after a minor loss to walk away from the Casino and live to fight another day. 

Without DISCIPLINE, you won't win long term at Baccarat and you would be better off finding something else to do nights.

 

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