# What the casinos don't want you to know (warning)

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A little quiet on the forum lately.

We need to experiment and create new things in the way we play all the time but we also need to practise what we create and learn and consolidate it.

i have something new for you guys to consider. Actually it's not new it's old. As old as time itself but I have reopened discussion on the subject.

first of all a warning to anyone who reads on: this could ruin your life. It has happened to others and sent people crazy. It is such a powerful concept. So read on at your own risk!

secondly I dedicate this to the first and main person on this forum who motivated me to get where i am today in the game of baccarat. If he had not created such a friendly humorous lighthearted way to look at baccarat I may not have still been here by now: Kevin Achatz (kachatz1)

There are many others but he was the first.

So what is the concept that you are waiting to read or is this just a post with little substance?

Ok here it is:

The Number 23

thats it

well ok so how many strategies and methods have you learned to win at baccarat and everything seems to revolve around tbl and / or tbl

1 method loves 2's and 3's and one method hates 2's and 3's (23)

so what you say well what about McVinces vinsP method?

the game changer was the way the count was changed to make the 2's and 3's the same (23)

to quote way2fast (some of you members may have heard of him!) the game changer was to count the 2's and 3's the same (23)

In frank barstows book Beat The Casino he describes the 2 basic methods of bet selection: pattern (tbl) and reverse repeat (otbl - 2's and 3's 23)

the numbers 2 and 3 are the lowest prime numbers (discounting 1)

mathematicians describe prime numbers as the atoms of number groups

the number 23 contains both 2 and 3 and is only divisible by itself and 1

in the next post in about 23 hrs or maybe 2 - 3 days !! I will list 23 of my favourite facts of why the number 23 is so powerful in nature.

then after that I will show my method based on the number 23,and how maybe you can also use it to win at baccarat and I will Show 23 sample shoes (or maybe just 2-3!)

But first have a look at this:

Opposite To Before Last

Could some please count the number of characters in that line (including spaces)

ha ha see you guys soon!

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23 is the number of Michael Jordan and Lebron James, two of the greatest basket players...

bacclover

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New York Yankees 1st baseman and my hometown hero wore #23 on his Yankees jersey has been retired by the organization, grew up playing baseball in my hometown of Evansville, Indiana.

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Everything that is happening in this world, revolves around number 23. I went crazy a long time ago!

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I am born on 23....yeah

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i started this post on 28 . 05 .

28-5 =23

23 occurs naturally in nature more than anything else.

here is 23 facts about 23 to prove it:

1. The earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees in relation to its travel around the sun. This gives us the seasons. 23.5 (5 is 2 + 3)

2. It takes blood 23 seconds on average to circulate around the human body.

3. The human body is made from 46 chromosomes - 23 pairs

i will list 2 - 3 facts each post until I have listed 23

my birth date is 3 February (2.3.)

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4. 2/3 is .6666667 (666 twice!) ( all numbers on a roulette wheel add up to 666!)

5. Kurt Cobain the king of grunge rock from the band Nirvana was born in 1967 (1 + 9 + 6 + 7 = 23) and died in 1994 ( 1+9+9+4=23)

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1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.

2 can be as bad as 1.

3 Dog Night.

2,3... Almost 50 years ago.

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• 2 weeks later...
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Anyway I think you get the point I see great power in 23 and the fact that 2 and 3 are the first 2 PRIME numbers

So it got me thinking I've always liked OTBL over anything else and how could I use that to win.

What I decided was that ZZ's are as important as Straight events and so they should be recorded as well.

At the same time I should record the OT patterns to see if the trends could also assist.

I will demonstrate with this shoe which I recently played:

B11311511112321311312111424213211

So if I was to record the ZZ events along with the straight events it would look like:

43456223223343325422242233224

1's at the start and the end have to be assumed that there is an imaginary straight event so you can count them

Now what I noticed is that 2's and 3's appear in clumps:

43456 2232233 4 332 54 222 4 223322 4

3's I consider to be neutral events unless they appear with 2's

Now if I record the OT events of the above shoe:

TOTOTTOTTTOTTTOTTTTOOOTOOOTOOOTOTOTTOTOTOOTTTOTTOOTTOOOTOTO

and I was to treat them as I would banker and player:

T111213143131311112111123122231111

Then I record the straight and ZZ events on one line as I did above:

523334233333626223322222236

And then separate the 2's and 3's:

5 2333 4 233333 6 2 6 22332222223 6

So now we have 2 variables in the same game grouped into clumps of 2's and 3's:

43456 2232233 4 332 54 222 4 223322 4

5 2333 4 233333 6 2 6 22332222223 6

Now what you may notice above is that the 2's and 3's clumps occur at different times in the shoe.

2's and 3's are consecutive events so if you are aiming for a 2 in the clump and you miss you only just miss as it will be a 3

So do you think from the above I could see some betting opportunities?

More on this later

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Great work Brad, I like it

The key is including the ZZ runs

Lets keep the idea alive

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Hey Pando the great thing is that you can reverse the theory and apply it to TBL in which case you will be grouping clumps of 4's and 4+ events into clumps along with 3's that occur with 4's or 4+'s

2's will clumped separately as they are undesirable and 3's if they occur with 2's are also undesirable

I suppose it really depends which of the 2 (TBL or OTBL) you prefer as to which may choose to target

Of course you could choose both and switch but I don't do that I just ignore TBL bias (I know you are opposite in your strategy)

Of course this may be dependant on the shoes that you play most because you are probably gonna like the bias more if it wins you more!

Yes I plan to keep this going and explain the strategy more and how it can be put into practise to win.

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Brad, you wrote in the post above:

I will demonstrate with this shoe which I recently played:

B11311511112321311312111424213211

So if I was to record the ZZ events along with the straight events it would look like:

43456223223343325422242233224

I can not figure out how you got from B11311511112321311312111424213211 to 43456223223343325422242233224

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Hi Stan.

My theory is this:

There is no such things as 1's (1iar) events

1's are simply part of a ZZ run

So therefore the lowest possible events are 2iar and 3iar

So the basis of my theory is the prime numbers 2 and 3 are also the 2 prime events.

I will explain more later

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A picture speaks 1000 words

the example shoe with zz and straight events written as they occur

the 4 at the start and the end are assumed zz events in order to be able to count them

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There is the otbl vs tbl events

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Thanks. Ellis posted a method here a few years ago: A simple million dollar system where it used triggers to switch between tbl and otbl.

The concept was good as always but once again probably where it went wrong was claiming it was a counter to casino orchestration combined with mechanical triggers and a negative progression.

i believe tbl and otbl is enough to win if you don't use negative progressions or mechanical switches and watch for the clumping of 2's and 3's or the clumping if 4's and 4+'s with 3's.

then just pick the right times to switch.

3's are neutral and should be treated as either depending on what they are with

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i believe tbl and otbl is enough to win if you don't use negative progressions or mechanical switches and watch for the clumping of 2's and 3's or the clumping if 4's and 4+'s with 3's.

This is true.  You can focus on just OTBL and TBL.  Or you could focus on just P or B; or Opposite and Repeat.  In all cases, one of your two choices will win every hand, so it all comes down to what triggers you are using to switch between the two of your choice.

Brad, what I cannot follow in your examples are the symbols for OTBL and TBL.  For example, the hands marked "OTBL" are not all opposite time before last -- many in fact are TBL.

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Thanks for sharing this concept of Prime Baccarat. This is really a novel way of looking at a shoe as it really breaks down the majority of the shoe into 2s and 3s. I'm still looking at applying viable betting constructs and testing it with other shoes.

What I can't figure out is there appears to me to be extra 2s written in your ot/tb example. The first two occurring after the 4 straight and the 3rd 6zz.

Thanks

PurpleInk

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On 11 June 2017 at 9:59 PM, way2fast said:

This is true.  You can focus on just OTBL and TBL.  Or you could focus on just P or B; or Opposite and Repeat.  In all cases, one of your two choices will win every hand, so it all comes down to what triggers you are using to switch between the two of your choice.

Brad, what I cannot follow in your examples are the symbols for OTBL and TBL.  For example, the hands marked "OTBL" are not all opposite time before last -- many in fact are TBL.

Hi way2fast. Thanks for reading my post and giving your input I do appreciate that.

While I do agree that every decision is either T or OT sounds like a silly statement because it has to be 1 or the other and the same is also true for PB or OR, I do think T and OT differ because they can be stand alone strategies by themselves and will cover every major bias possible fairly well.

I don't feel this is the same for PB and OR because if you execute these by themselves they will not cover every possible bias nearly as well IMO.

The chart u were looking at was actually the shoe recorded as o and t trends so I did not make it clear by posting it underneath the p and b trends.

so for example start of shoe is b113 so that chart shows it in terms of o and t: TOT

so I am recording the o and t events in terms of numerical events.

i could do the same for o and R as well and look for O v T betting opportunities amongst all 3 variables.

hope you understand better.

Also interested in ur thoughts on my next posts

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On 11 June 2017 at 11:21 PM, PurpleInk said:

Thanks for sharing this concept of Prime Baccarat. This is really a novel way of looking at a shoe as it really breaks down the majority of the shoe into 2s and 3s. I'm still looking at applying viable betting constructs and testing it with other shoes.

What I can't figure out is there appears to me to be extra 2s written in your ot/tb example. The first two occurring after the 4 straight and the 3rd 6zz.

Thanks

PurpleInk

Hi purpleink I did check it and don't belive there was errors but I may be wrong - where I feel you may be confused is the counting of zz 2's: ppbbppbb - 2222 - written with zz events is - 2222222

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Here is the example shoe posted again showing the pb patterns on top line and then the or and OT patterns below the pb patterns in sync with their occurrence.

i got this idea from kachatz and his 4d / 5d play where you track multiple variables at the same time looking for opportunities in all.

i could track oott as well and even Ooottt and they would show opportunities but 3 is enough for now.

a note that I did not have room to record the last event which is a 1 opposite.

also I have written the straight and zz events for each line above them and below them on second line which is confusing but I think you will figure it out (mistake which makes it confusing but they are still listed correctly whether under or over the lines)

if if you look at the 2 and 3 clusters in each line I think you will see the betting opportunities

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