Norm A Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Ok thats true ! but my idea was not to force someone to shere nor secrets with us. It was just for friendship and practising.How can you practice when you didn't learn how to play properly yet. ? Whether it be Nor or any other system.For friendship fine I will get on Skype with you and BS about the weather and anything else, I am always willing to make new friends. Quote Norm A FOLLOW THE SHOE WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users BJplayer Posted November 10, 2013 Author Users Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 How can you practice when you didn't learn how to play properly yet. ? Whether it be Nor or any other system.we can share what we know...we can try to put all that we know and with shearing our opinoin maybe we can learn something..its easier to learn when there is more of you then when you are learning solo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm A Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 we can share what we know...we can try to put all that we know and with shearing our opinoin maybe we can learn something..its easier to learn when there is more of you then when you are learning solo.That is very true that is also what the private forum is all about. learning and shearing from and with people who have been doing this for a long time and know what they are doing.learning and shearing from and with people who are not private members is like the blind leading the blind. Quote Norm A FOLLOW THE SHOE WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users BJplayer Posted November 10, 2013 Author Users Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 That is very true that is also what the private forum is all about. learning and shearing from and with people who have been doing this for a long time and know what they are doing.learning and shearing from and with people who are not private members is like the blind leading the blind.yes i know but at this moment that is best that we here can do...maybe someone have something smart to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneybac Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 i have something smart to say,he,he,ya join the nor forum.can't get any smarter then dat.i know you want to join,so reach into those deep pockets with those short arms,take out that wallet close your eyes,don't think and blow off the dust after the moths have all flew away,bust open that wallet and join LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted November 11, 2013 Users Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 we can share what we know...we can try to put all that we know and with shearing our opinoin maybe we can learn something..its easier to learn when there is more of you then when you are learning solo.BJ, with all due respect, this sounds like the start of a NEW baccarat forum. You or anyone else can certainly do that, and share whatever knowledge your members have. There are many bulletin board services where such a forum could be started. To do that on the backs of what Ellis has put together here seems, well, a little aggressive and highly inappropriate. No one is forcing you to join the private forum -- (personally it is the BEST thing I ever did-- I have not had a loosing trip since late 2011 -- and I have LOTS of trips), but if it was up to me you wouldn't be able to use Ellis' forum and ideas to create a separate group/forum away from the this board. Good Luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcash2002 Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I agree with the opinion is that the best method of learning is simply to buck up and pay for the private forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 BJ, with all due respect, this sounds like the start of a NEW baccarat forum. You or anyone else can certainly do that, and share whatever knowledge your members have. There are many bulletin board services where such a forum could be started. To do that on the backs of what Ellis has put together here seems, well, a little aggressive and highly inappropriate. No one is forcing you to join the private forum -- (personally it is the BEST thing I ever did-- I have not had a loosing trip since late 2011 -- and I have LOTS of trips), but if it was up to me you wouldn't be able to use Ellis' forum and ideas to create a separate group/forum away from the this board. Good Luck to you.Well you can't blame the guy for trying. Pretty darn clever! A guy that smart would make an excellent student.I wonder if he realizes that the daily losses of the average Bac player are greater than our entry fee. The best, fastest and cheapest way to learn is to join our forum. You can't learn pussyfooting around the edges or trying to copy someone else. That just doesn't cut it. This guy is going to end up spending thousands in a feeble attempt to save $600.This reminds me of Garnaby. He flies all the way from Canada to watch us play in Vegas. He watched us absolutely kill a shoe - watched every hand. But he had no clue what we were doing. The trip cost him more than joining the forum would have. I guess it has something to do with misplaced pride. Guys will spend thousands to save $600. Go figure.They will likely freak out over our new price of $5000 for the 4D. If they did their homework, they'd know ours is about the lowest price out there internationally. But our methods are still the only ones that work... at any price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 BTW guys, that reminds me: I consider the forum BaccaratLabs a "pirate" forum. I recognize too many names there. I remind everyone of the U.S. Federal Copyright Law which we have had to invoke before. I consider membership there grounds for dismissal here. All of BTC is copyrighted. Copying anything here in total or in part, word for word or not is illegal and Federal penalties are very high. The Federal courts don't take this lightly. My last case, the defendants were fined $24,000. A word to the wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkValefor Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 BTW guys, that reminds me: I consider the forum BaccaratLabs a "pirate" forum. I recognize too many names there. I remind everyone of the U.S. Federal Copyright Law which we have had to invoke before. I consider membership there grounds for dismissal here. All of BTC is copyrighted. Copying anything here in total or in part, word for word or not is illegal and Federal penalties are very high. The Federal courts don't take this lightly. My last case, the defendants were fined $24,000. A word to the wise.hahaha professor you make mistake he is not wise infact not geniues even he can start a forum he is just a true idiot he can know the skill but he don't know the essence 10 20 30 years down the road he will fail because when casino change he cannot adapt to ithe will just be another idiot school teach people how to be best clown in casino down the road like other schoola wise man learn how you think how you see not what you dogive him a good system he just success for a while learning to be another ellis and make income from casino and help each other here is the optimal way to learn a art and have good reputation and weath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm A Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 BJ, with all due respect, this sounds like the start of a NEW baccarat forum. You or anyone else can certainly do that, and share whatever knowledge your members have. There are many bulletin board services where such a forum could be started. To do that on the backs of what Ellis has put together here seems, well, a little aggressive and highly inappropriate. No one is forcing you to join the private forum -- (personally it is the BEST thing I ever did-- I have not had a loosing trip since late 2011 -- and I have LOTS of trips), but if it was up to me you wouldn't be able to use Ellis' forum and ideas to create a separate group/forum away from the this board. Good Luck to you.In all fairness to BJplayer I don't think he was trying to start a new forum, I hope I am wrong but I believe he was just trying to establish contacts through email or Skype who would want to share thoughts, this is something that many of us have done in the past. The only difference and point that I was making is that he is wasting his time doing it with people from the public forum, when most of us did this in the past we did it amongst private members.As a matter of fact there is a way of setting up a private group on BTC forum, although I do not know if a public member can do this.Perhaps someday when he is able to afford it he will become a private member. Quote Norm A FOLLOW THE SHOE WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm A Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 hahaha professor you make mistake he is not wise infact not geniues even he can start a forum he is just a true idiot he can know the skill but he don't know the essence 10 20 30 years down the road he will fail because when casino change he cannot adapt to ithe will just be another idiot school teach people how to be best clown in casino down the road like other schoola wise man learn how you think how you see not what you dogive him a good system he just success for a while learning to be another ellis and make income from casino and help each other here is the optimal way to learn a art and have good reputation and weath.BJplayer is far from being an idiot, in order to learn how a person thinks you must see what they do, you cannot be a mind reader.In my younger days I was a flight instructor, the basis of teaching is, TELL, SHOW AND DO THEN LET THE STUDENT DO.And idiot would be someone who thinks they could learn how to become a good Baccarat by just learning the rules of a system by picking up bits and pieces on the public forum.Every good player on the private forum will tell you that it took them many years of practice and shearing ideas to become good, just knowing the system rules don't mean a damn thing. After many years and thousands of shoes played in live casino playing you won't even be using the rules, you will learn your own style of play from experience.No one could teach you how to be a very good Baccarat player any more than Tiger Woods could teach you how to play golf the way he does. Quote Norm A FOLLOW THE SHOE WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkValefor Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 BJplayer is far from being an idiot, in order to learn how a person thinks you must see what they do, you cannot be a mind reader.In my younger days I was a flight instructor, the basis of teaching is, TELL, SHOW AND DO THEN LET THE STUDENT DO.And idiot would be someone who thinks they could learn how to become a good Baccarat by just learning the rules of a system by picking up bits and pieces on the public forum.Every good player on the private forum will tell you that it took them many years of practice and shearing ideas to become good, just knowing the system rules don't mean a damn thing. After many years and thousands of shoes played in live casino playing you won't even be using the rules, you will learn your own style of play from experience.No one could teach you how to be a very good Baccarat player any more than Tiger Woods could teach you how to play golf the way he does.normA don't be a idiot you cannot see what a person do and know what a person trying to do or even think the only way to see is by "heart" remember that learn a rules of a system is for you to try and feel how and why the persona successful man not just pick up bit and pieces and they know how to put them togetheri love people call me idiot because a idiot is no one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users baccaratlabs Posted November 11, 2013 Users Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 BTW guys, that reminds me: I consider the forum BaccaratLabs a "pirate" forum. I recognize too many names there. I remind everyone of the U.S. Federal Copyright Law which we have had to invoke before. I consider membership there grounds for dismissal here. All of BTC is copyrighted. Copying anything here in total or in part, word for word or not is illegal and Federal penalties are very high. The Federal courts don't take this lightly. My last case, the defendants were fined $24,000. A word to the wise.Ellis,I don't understand where you are coming from. First, as stated in the rules section, we do not allow our members to post any copyrighted material. I will instantly delete any commercial system that gets posted, whether it's copyrighted or not. This includes any of your BTC systems. I have a 0 tolerance policy for this because I can respect what you are trying to do here. I remind everyone of the U.S. Federal Copyright Law which we have had to invoke before. I consider membership there grounds for dismissal here.This is the part the blows me away. You will dismiss your members if they join another baccarat forum? Baccaratlabs.com is a free forum that I created for myself and other people in the baccarat community, so we can openly discuss the game. I'm actually losing money due to server costs.I find it horrific that you would place limitations and restrictions upon your students. But based on your statements, I'm going to assume that you misunderstand the position of my forum. I would appreciate it if you would not take such as restrictive and narrow stance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users BJplayer Posted November 11, 2013 Author Users Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 first of all i am disgustem with all that i have read here.... my IQ is 130 i am not genius but i think that i am not idiot too. From the begining i have not mention NOR even once...so i dindt say that i dont need to come to private forum, and my idea is not to learn nor over skype...i though that i can make some friends, find some peoples from europe, maybe learn something new, shere trip reports and so on. And all of this was for members from public forum...but here i see just private forum members...i was thinking to buy nor, so all of this has nothing to do with it...NormA thank you for supporting me...and all other keep your nor that you purchased and enjoy it !Cheers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkValefor Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 first of all i am disgustem with all that i have read here.... my IQ is 130 i am not genius but i think that i am not idiot too. From the begining i have not mention NOR even once...so i dindt say that i dont need to come to private forum, and my idea is not to learn nor over skype...i though that i can make some friends, find some peoples from europe, maybe learn something new, shere trip reports and so on. And all of this was for members from public forum...but here i see just private forum members...i was thinking to buy nor, so all of this has nothing to do with it...NormA thank you for supporting me...and all other keep your nor that you purchased and enjoy it !Cheers !you explanation don't justified, the forum already had all the message and email like a facebook everyone find friend here. as long as you are a gambler you will find a gambler meet a friend smoker can talk to a unknown smoker on the road and even make friendonly normA you can fool because he has arroganceyou alone say you have IQ 130 you are not went the world say you are then you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users BJplayer Posted November 11, 2013 Author Users Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 you explanation don't justified, the forum already had all the message and email like a facebook everyone find friend here. as long as you are a gambler you will find a gambler meet a friend smoker can talk to a unknown smoker on the road and even make friendonly normA you can fool because he has arroganceyou alone say you have IQ 130 you are not went the world say you are then you are.ok, first who are you here to judge me and say that i am an idiot...second i dont give a F*** what do you think because i know what was my idea and i dont want to convince you...and third learn to use ( , and . ) and then write something here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkValefor Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 ok, first who are you here to judge me and say that i am an idiot...second i dont give a F*** what do you think because i know what was my idea and i dont want to convince you...and third learn to use ( , and . ) and then write something here.good you ask like i always say i am no one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Gentlemen, OK, it's almost time to think about taking a step back and taking a break. Let's try to get back on track with the Skype discussion and baccarat. Continued unproductive arguments are not a hallmark of this forum. So, hopefully we will all just kind of drift away from the "smack talk" and get back to business!! Enough on that for now. Being adults does bring a certain amount of restraint at times. Deal with it. MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted November 12, 2013 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Gentlemen, OK, it's almost time to think about taking a step back and taking a break. Let's try to get back on track with the Skype discussion and baccarat. Continued unproductive arguments are not a hallmark of this forum. So, hopefully we will all just kind of drift away from the "smack talk" and get back to business!! Enough on that for now. Being adults does bring a certain amount of restraint at times. Deal with it. MVSNot almost time, IT IS TIME.Get out the DCon, and apply some pest control.Please. And thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterUK Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Let's be civilised and continue to learn from one another... Remember the word 'Discipline'? Managing your 'Pride' and 'Behaviour' is part of it... Whatever people say, take it as Flak and move on... You know who the winner is? You don't have to prove it.Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Dark, BJ, I know you are both very sharp guys and you want to be private members but apparantly don't have the funds right now. I know you are both smart enough to know that you can't learn on the public forum.We tell you just enough to get you in big trouble in a casino. Here is hoping you can both join the private forum soon.But we don't fight with each other on the private forum.That's like friendly fire. It kills just the same.We are ALL on the same side here. The enemy is the Casino, NOT your fellow players.Enough said about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkValefor Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Let's be civilised and continue to learn from one another... Remember the word 'Discipline'? Managing your 'Pride' and 'Behaviour' is part of it... Whatever people say, take it as Flak and move on... You know who the winner is? You don't have to prove it.Peteryou were right! if he try anything funny i believe keith and professor will sue them without a second thought,the worry is not ours. we should keep going and don't waste professor and keith effort to train us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkValefor Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Dark, BJ, I know you are both very sharp guys and you want to be private members but apparantly don't have the funds right now. I know you are both smart enough to know that you can't learn on the public forum.We tell you just enough to get you in big trouble in a casino. Here is hoping you can both join the private forum soon.But we don't fight with each other on the private forum.That's like friendly fire. It kills just the same.We are ALL on the same side here. The enemy is the Casino, NOT your fellow players.Enough said about it.yes professor i got a new observation in bj should i post here or pm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users BJplayer Posted November 12, 2013 Author Users Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Please delete this thread..i am not here for this, im here to learn...my idea was something else but i see that it is imposlible even if it was form public mebmers, but all the private members guys came here to protect his NOR...delete this i forget it. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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