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No more than "milking" A HORSE WITH NO NAME

Nothing exceptional about really "figuring out" what all of Ellis' chatter surrounding ONE IS THE LONLIEST NUMBER really meant.

BUT, I finally "got-it"

finally understood, because I "married" what he said about those two posts with his interpretation of the D'Alembert Betting Progression ( he mentioned 1910, earlier in this thread...thought he was going to "give it up" then...)

AND I AM EMBARESSED TO SAY, I KNEW THIS IN 2010, and did not tell you until now...

WHY? ( Because I committed the "cardinal sin" of forgetting more about "how to win" at baccarat, than most anyone will ever know.)

Until I discovered THE MIDDLE.

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WHY? ( Because I committed the "cardinal sin" of forgetting more about "how to win" at baccarat, than most anyone will ever know.)

Until I discovered THE MIDDLE.

The Middle, THE TWIST ( if you prefer), is nothing more than what 4D is all about.

that is, playing both the "least" and "greatest" disparities...all 8 of them.

all in one shoe

and that is why so many of us have had such a difficult time "grasping" the concept ...

WHAT????

Ellis/Davis/Clifton ( whatever your g-dang name), YOU WANT ME TO PLAY 8 THINGS AT ONCE?

Really???

Try and decipher 8 things AT ONCE??"

Yeah, really.

Ad that is how THE TWIST was born, at least in my mind.....

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The Middle, THE TWIST ( if you prefer), is nothing more than what 4D is all about.

that is, playing both the "least" and "greatest" disparities...all 8 of them.

all in one shoe

and that is why so many of us have had such a difficult time "grasping" the concept ...

WHAT????

Ellis/Davis/Clifton ( whatever your g-dang name), YOU WANT ME TO PLAY 8 THINGS AT ONCE?

Really???

Try and decipher 8 things AT ONCE??"

Yeah, really.

Ad that is how THE TWIST was born, at least in my mind.....

you see, even early-on, having played my version of 3D, I knew how difficult it would be to try to keep track of so many 4D "disparities"...

plus, I did not want to "give up" my attention to Nor+, to SAP, to the TOTE BOARD at the table...

so it soon became apparent to me I would have to find "some middle ground"

No, I did not "invent it" ( I already told you that!)

I did not even "get it" at first ( I told you that, too!)

but it is true I figured out "how to combine everything I had learned, everything I had ''been taught", to come up with something I Could Do/something I could manage playing a shoe in "casino time"

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you see, even early-on, having played my version of 3D, I knew how difficult it would be to try to keep track of so many 4D "disparities"...

plus, I did not want to "give up" my attention to Nor+, to SAP, to the TOTE BOARD at the table...

so it soon became apparent to me I would have to find "some middle ground"

No, I did not "invent it" ( I already told you that!)

I did not even "get it" at first ( I told you that, too!)

but it is true I figured out "how to combine everything I had learned, everything I had ''been taught", to come up with something I Could Do/something I could manage playing a shoe in "casino time"

And , YES, it was "The Twist"

and it goes like this:

1) Baccarat "math" is indisputable...in the end, 50% of all events will be 1-IAR, 25% of all events will be 2-IAR, 12.5% of all events will be 3-IAR, etc, etc

2) But ( and Ellis taught me this!!), only if you 'pretend/act-as-if' all Baccarat shoes are but a continuum from the last one played ( could be a different casino, could be a different day of the week, could be a different month...)...so just accept this, it's true, you do not have to write-this-down...

3)You cannot "win" LT with a simple Betting Strategy ) P/B), you also will need a carefully executed/monitored Betting Progression...YES, I would like to think you can FLAT BET, but the commission will "get you 2"

4) Even with just using NOR/NOR+/SAP on your side, you will not be able to "retire" on your baccarat winnings

5) And now, even 4D in your arsenal, you will need some "help", something to "put you over the edge", something to make you THE WINNER you deserve to be.

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And , YES, it was "The Twist"

and it goes like this:

1) Baccarat "math" is indisputable...in the end, 50% of all events will be 1-IAR, 25% of all events will be 2-IAR, 12.5% of all events will be 3-IAR, etc, etc

2) But ( and Ellis taught me this!!), only if you 'pretend/act-as-if' all Baccarat shoes are but a continuum from the last one played ( could be a different casino, could be a different day of the week, could be a different month...)...so just accept this, it's true, you do not have to write-this-down...

3)You cannot "win" LT with a simple Betting Strategy ) P/B), you also will need a carefully executed/monitored Betting Progression...YES, I would like to think you can FLAT BET, but the commission will "get you 2"

4) Even with just using NOR/NOR+/SAP on your side, you will not be able to "retire" on your baccarat winnings

5) And now, even 4D in your arsenal, you will need some "help", something to "put you over the edge", something to make you THE WINNER you deserve to be.

yes, you might call it "middling", you might call it THE TWIST.

Anyone has played even just a few shoes soon discovers #1 above is the truth.

( re read it now , and if it does not "ring true" with you, write it down, because it is true.)

And after all my urging, especially those among you who are the most stubborn, if you have not done so, READ both of the ENTIRE THREADS , ONE IS THE LONLIEST NUMBER and A HORSE WITH NO NAME, started back in 2010

I do not care what I said, but do pay close attention to the rest of the thread...

And then, just for good measure, read, and re-read, every post about U1D2M2, or U1D1M ( whatever) you can find on this forum. ( It is The D'alembert progression, but Ellis is who taught us, so give him the credit, because that is what your NOR "price-of-admission" entitled you to...)

So now it is no longer such a puzzle...

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yes, you might call it "middling", you might call it THE TWIST.

Anyone has played even just a few shoes soon discovers #1 above is the truth.

( re read it now , and if it does not "ring true" with you, write it down, because it is true.)

And after all my urging, especially those among you who are the most stubborn, if you have not done so, READ both of the ENTIRE THREADS , ONE IS THE LONLIEST NUMBER and A HORSE WITH NO NAME, started back in 2010

I do not care what I said, but do pay close attention to the rest of the thread...

And then, just for good measure, read, and re-read, every post about U1D2M2, or U1D1M ( whatever) you can find on this forum. ( It is The D'alembert progression, but Ellis is who taught us, so give him the credit, because that is what your NOR "price-of-admission" entitled you to...)

So now it is no longer such a puzzle...

"THE TWIST" on 3D, 4D, w.h.a.t.e.v.e.r. you want to call it is just this:

a 1-IAR will be 50% of all "events"

a 2-IAR will be 25% of all "events" ( like PP or BB, before switching)

a 3_IAR, 12.5%

a 4-IAR, 6.25%

yada,yada,yada

etc., etc., etc...( same thing)

SO NOW, HERE COMES THE GOOD PART, THE IMPORTANT PART ABOUT HOW TO MAKE BIG $$

( WAS HE EVER "REALLY" GOING TO TELL US?)

and when??

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"THE TWIST" on 3D, 4D, w.h.a.t.e.v.e.r. you want to call it is just this:

a 1-IAR will be 50% of all "events"

a 2-IAR will be 25% of all "events" ( like PP or BB, before switching)

a 3_IAR, 12.5%

a 4-IAR, 6.25%

yada,yada,yada

etc., etc., etc...( same thing)

SO NOW, HERE COMES THE GOOD PART, THE IMPORTANT PART ABOUT HOW TO MAKE BIG $$

( WAS HE EVER "REALLY" GOING TO TELL US?)

and when??

well, it is not something I invented, but I have played it with huge, stellar $$ results the last 5 months!

EZ? No, you have to calculate how your bankroll figures into this.

You only got $100? Divide it by 4 and play 4 "sessions"

You got $1,000? Divide it by 3 and play 3 "sessions"

You got $5,000? Suggest you divide it by 2 and play 2 "sessions"

You got Ellis-kind of $$, play until you are exhausted.

No, seriously,do this.

1) Pick a number 1 to 5. write it down. ( 1,2,3,4,5). That will be your Banker value, your Opposite value, your OTBL value, and/or your OO value.

2) Pick a second number, 1 to 5.That will be your Player value, or your Repeat value, or your TBL value, or your TT value.

Next,

3) Decide if you want to "middle" P/B, O/R OTBL/TBL or OO/TT disparities

Ok, so lets say you decide to "middle" O/R ( reminder! It can only be the "highest"disparity, or the lowest disparity , in any given shoe...but NOTHING LASTS FOREVER.)It'll work out to 50/50 in the long run...)

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well, it is not something I invented, but I have played it with huge, stellar $$ results the last 5 months!

EZ? No, you have to calculate how your bankroll figures into this.

You only got $100? Divide it by 4 and play 4 "sessions"

You got $1,000? Divide it by 3 and play 3 "sessions"

You got $5,000? Suggest you divide it by 2 and play 2 "sessions"

You got Ellis-kind of $$, play until you are exhausted.

No, seriously,do this.

1) Pick a number 1 to 5. write it down. ( 1,2,3,4,5). That will be your Banker value, your Opposite value, your OTBL value, and/or your OO value.

2) Pick a second number, 1 to 5.That will be your Player value, or your Repeat value, or your TBL value, or your TT value.

Next,

3) Decide if you want to "middle" P/B, O/R OTBL/TBL or OO/TT disparities

Ok, so lets say you decide to "middle" O/R ( reminder! It can only be the "highest"disparity, or the lowest disparity , in any given shoe...but NOTHING LASTS FOREVER.)It'll work out to 50/50 in the long run...)

So you picked O/R, right?

And lets say, for the sake of argument, that you picked the number 4 for the O value, and 2 for the R value. ( it could be any # 1-5...like instead of 4/2, as illustrated, how about 3/1, or 3/3, or 3/5, or 1/4...you get it...)

in fact, it could be 1-100, but lets keep it real world baccarat

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So you picked O/R, right?

And lets say, for the sake of argument, that you picked the number 4 for the O value, and 2 for the R value. ( it could be any # 1-5...like instead of 4/2, as illustrated, how about 3/1, or 3/3, or 3/5, or 1/4...you get it...)

in fact, it could be 1-100, but lets keep it real world baccarat

And it is precisely at this point I have to remind you what 4D was originally to be all about ( back in September, when Ellis first mentioned it, and I first . thought of THE TWIST)

You see, 4D was "conceived" to be a "system" that would identify, and EXPLOIT, the concept of just 1, or 2, or maybe 3 "super bets" in a shoe.

Instead of betting like NOR/NOR+...virtually every hand....just make a few BIG BETS in a shoe, AND WIN BIG, too

And the he "named it" 4D, after the 4 disparities... ( P/B, etc. etc.)

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And it is precisely at this point I have to remind you what 4D was originally to be all about ( back in September, when Ellis first mentioned it, and I first . thought of THE TWIST)

You see, 4D was "conceived" to be a "system" that would identify, and EXPLOIT, the concept of just 1, or 2, or maybe 3 "super bets" in a shoe.

Instead of betting like NOR/NOR+...virtually every hand....just make a few BIG BETS in a shoe, AND WIN BIG, too

And the he "named it" 4D, after the 4 disparities... ( P/B, etc. etc.)

Well , it took him a few weeks, but he soon came to realize that not many people could "afford" to make just a few big , really "super" bets, in a shoe, because it is/was still a 50/50 game...

and nobody wants to lose their bankroll in just one shoe...

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Well , it took him a few weeks, but he soon came to realize that not many people could "afford" to make just a few big , really "super" bets, in a shoe, because it is/was still a 50/50 game...

and nobody wants to lose their bankroll in just one shoe...

and as soon as I "got it", as soon as I started posting, playing and talking about Disparities and BAC Exploitation back in September, I realized there had to be something in the middle.

YES, THE TWIST.

I did not invent it, I learned it all from Ellis.

1) There are two sides to every shoe. Banker and Player.

2) You 'win' on the Player side, there is no commission, you 'win' on the Banker side, there is.

3) Pretty much, you lay 10, 100, 1000 shoes "end to end" ( just 'pretend' U tape them together) ,you will get a 50/50 result ...P/B, O/R, OTBL/TBL....and yes even OO/TT

and the odds of getting 1-IAR, 2-IAR, etc. do not change, unless you really believe the "casino is cheating"

So what could bridge the gap between NOR/NOR+ and what Ellis came to call 4D?

It was "middling" the game

and since you have already picked your numbers ( 4/2) , and you have already picked the disparity you want to play ( O/R), and we have just a few moments ago talked about "bankroll", and now we just discussed "why pay commission, when you don't have to?"

THE TWIST becomes EZ

Our #'s are 4/2 .... O/R? O=4/R=2, right?

( you could have picked OO/TT, OTBL/TBL, or even P/B if you wanted to...)

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and as soon as I "got it", as soon as I started posting, playing and talking about Disparities and BAC Exploitation back in September, I realized there had to be something in the middle.

YES, THE TWIST.

I did not invent it, I learned it all from Ellis.

1) There are two sides to every shoe. Banker and Player.

2) You 'win' on the Player side, there is no commission, you 'win' on the Banker side, there is.

3) Pretty much, you lay 10, 100, 1000 shoes "end to end" ( just 'pretend' U tape them together) ,you will get a 50/50 result ...P/B, O/R, OTBL/TBL....and yes even OO/TT

and the odds of getting 1-IAR, 2-IAR, etc. do not change, unless you really believe the "casino is cheating"

So what could bridge the gap between NOR/NOR+ and what Ellis came to call 4D?

It was "middling" the game

and since you have already picked your numbers ( 4/2) , and you have already picked the disparity you want to play ( O/R), and we have just a few moments ago talked about "bankroll", and now we just discussed "why pay commission, when you don't have to?"

THE TWIST becomes EZ

Our #'s are 4/2 .... O/R? O=4/R=2, right?

( you could have picked OO/TT, OTBL/TBL, or even P/B if you wanted to...)

Yesterday,

I told you I would give you THE TWIST by morning, and my morning ( here in the CENTRAL TIME ZONE) ends in 15 minutes

so lets get to the point, shall we?

Play whatever disparity you want, play forever, but play like this ( reminder: you picked the numbers 4 and 2, not me...)

(It's OK ,it will work no matter what, it just depends on how deep your bankroll is....)

Here is the TWIST.

Given everything I have said, from SAP counts, to bankroll, to not paying commission, to making the big $$, to posts/threads all the way back to 2010.

Its simple.

Using the numbers you selected.

WHENEVER THE PLAYER HITS 4-IN-A ROW ( note I said: Player)

AND THEN SWITCHES TO THE BANK ( note I said :Bank), and there is 2-IAR Bankers,

bet on Player.

1/1, 3/2, 5/3, 3/5 , it is all the same...( ELLIS will explain this to you...he explained it to me 4 years ago!)

If you WIN, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact circumstances to repeat, and using U1D1 betting , bet again.

If you win, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact same circumstances to repeat ( in our case 4 Players, followed by 2 Bankers, just so you do not have to pay commission)

Repeat as necessary

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Yesterday,

I told you I would give you THE TWIST by morning, and my morning ( here in the CENTRAL TIME ZONE) ends in 15 minutes

so lets get to the point, shall we?

Play whatever disparity you want, play forever, but play like this ( reminder: you picked the numbers 4 and 2, not me...)

(It's OK ,it will work no matter what, it just depends on how deep your bankroll is....)

Here is the TWIST.

Given everything I have said, from SAP counts, to bankroll, to not paying commission, to making the big $$, to posts/threads all the way back to 2010.

Its simple.

Using the numbers you selected.

WHENEVER THE PLAYER HITS 4-IN-A ROW ( note I said: Player)

AND THEN SWITCHES TO THE BANK ( note I said :Bank), and there is 2-IAR Bankers,

bet on Player.

1/1, 3/2, 5/3, 3/5 , it is all the same...( ELLIS will explain this to you...he explained it to me 4 years ago!)

If you WIN, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact circumstances to repeat, and using U1D1 betting , bet again.

If you win, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact same circumstances to repeat ( in our case 4 Players, followed by 2 Bankers, just so you do not have to pay commission)

Repeat as necessary

That, my friends, is THE TWIST.

I got it in, just under the wire....you will likely have to go back and read this entire thread to "get it", including the other threads on this forum I have repeatedly referred to.

and any questions, or u just want to abuse me, 850-687-3128

I am a big boy, and I hope, in some small.....( very small??) way ...I have set you and ELLIS up for a great seminar this weekend, and an invigorating discussion of playing both ends of the spectrum...the greatest, and the least disparities.

THAT was my intention from the beginning.

THAT, AND HELPING YOU, MY FELLOW private forum members, MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS IS POSSIBLE FROM THIS GAME.

I wish you all the best.

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Kach,

Can you please post a score card of a shoe using 4D and incorporating the "twist" on it to see it in action with play by play. You may want to post it in the private section. I think it would help everyone. Thanks.

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is this how you played the red rock shoe?

no, not at all.

THE TWIST was just something I developed in response to THE DISCUSSION OF THE 4D,

and I give Ellis all the credit.

( Or the blame)

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Yesterday,

I told you I would give you THE TWIST by morning, and my morning ( here in the CENTRAL TIME ZONE) ends in 15 minutes

so lets get to the point, shall we?

Play whatever disparity you want, play forever, but play like this ( reminder: you picked the numbers 4 and 2, not me...)

(It's OK ,it will work no matter what, it just depends on how deep your bankroll is....)

Here is the TWIST.

Given everything I have said, from SAP counts, to bankroll, to not paying commission, to making the big $$, to posts/threads all the way back to 2010.

Its simple.

Using the numbers you selected.

WHENEVER THE PLAYER HITS 4-IN-A ROW ( note I said: Player)

AND THEN SWITCHES TO THE BANK ( note I said :Bank), and there is 2-IAR Bankers,

bet on Player.

1/1, 3/2, 5/3, 3/5 , it is all the same...( ELLIS will explain this to you...he explained it to me 4 years ago!)

If you WIN, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact circumstances to repeat, and using U1D1 betting , bet again.

If you win, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact same circumstances to repeat ( in our case 4 Players, followed by 2 Bankers, just so you do not have to pay commission)

Repeat as necessary

Excuse while I try and stop all that cricket chirping...anybody else hear that?

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Yesterday,

I told you I would give you THE TWIST by morning, and my morning ( here in the CENTRAL TIME ZONE) ends in 15 minutes

so lets get to the point, shall we?

Play whatever disparity you want, play forever, but play like this ( reminder: you picked the numbers 4 and 2, not me...)

(It's OK ,it will work no matter what, it just depends on how deep your bankroll is....)

Here is the TWIST.

Given everything I have said, from SAP counts, to bankroll, to not paying commission, to making the big $$, to posts/threads all the way back to 2010.

Its simple.

Using the numbers you selected.

WHENEVER THE PLAYER HITS 4-IN-A ROW ( note I said: Player)

AND THEN SWITCHES TO THE BANK ( note I said :Bank), and there is 2-IAR Bankers,

bet on Player.

1/1, 3/2, 5/3, 3/5 , it is all the same...( ELLIS will explain this to you...he explained it to me 4 years ago!)

If you WIN, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact circumstances to repeat, and using U1D1 betting , bet again.

If you win, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact same circumstances to repeat ( in our case 4 Players, followed by 2 Bankers, just so you do not have to pay commission)

Repeat as necessary

Excuse while I try and stop all that cricket chirping...anybody else hear that?

My thoughts exactly

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Hi Stanislaus,

OO is the opposite of the hand 3 hands back.

TT is the same as the hand 3 hands back.

So if the hands went P P B, then OO would be opposite of the first P, or a banker bet. TT would be the same a the first P, a player bet.

Or if the hands went P P B P , then we would say that the last hand of P was a TT (same as the third hand before it)

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1/1, 3/2, 5/3, 3/5 , it is all the same...( ELLIS will explain this to you...he explained it to me 4 years ago!)

If you WIN, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact circumstances to repeat, and using U1D1 betting , bet again.

If you win, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact same circumstances to repeat ( in our case 4 Players, followed by 2 Bankers, just so you do not have to pay commission)

Repeat as necessary

Katchatz1, are you playing the shoe only until you are ahead by one unit?

If yes, then do you change the twist numbers and keep playing the same shoe for another unit?

Abby N

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