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Time-and-again, you will see posts, instagrams, yada, yada espousing the concept of "if it' s so good", why would he tell us ?"

Or sell it for $29.99? $500.?? Or maybe even $5,000??

I'm not selling anything.

It was given to me, and now I am giving it to you.

Or should I let Dr. E. give it to you?

Make sure your travel expenses, etc. this upcoming weekend are the best investment you ever made??

I started this thread saying I would save Dr. E. and Ozzie from the Baccarat Blender.

And now I am thinking...

And what I am thinking, what harrican has done by going back 4 years and bringing you all up to speed about "that was then, this is now"

Is, just have a look.

Can you figure it out?

It is there if you look hard enough.

It is there if you have been reading this forum the last 4 years

It is there if you have been paying close attention to SAP, NOR, Nor + and now 4D.

It is there, right out in the open, for all to see, and even Ellis said earlier in this thread you can trace its roots back at least 100 years...

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kachatz1
this is the maverick way?[/QUOT

Like "Maverick" from this forum ,from Hawaii? ( you're not serious, are you?)

or Bret Maverick...aka James Garner? (not)

or Tom Cruise, who played Pete "Maverick" Mitchell in a "famous movie" ? ( not even close....)

None of the above.

Even better.

It is THE TWIST.

Soon you will know it. And likely it will be covered in detail in Ellis' 4D seminar.

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this is the maverick way?[/QUOT

Like "Maverick" from this forum ,from Hawaii? ( you're not serious, are you?)

or Bret Maverick...aka James Garner? (not)

or Tom Cruise, who played Pete "Maverick" Mitchell in a "famous movie" ? ( not even close....)

None of the above.

Even better.

It is THE TWIST.

Soon you will know it. And likely it will be covered in detail in Ellis' 4D seminar.

http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110&p=548#post548


Norm A

FOLLOW THE SHOE

WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT

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kachatz1

And what I am thinking, what harrican has done by going back 4 years and bringing you all up to speed about "that was then, this is now"

Is, just have a look.

Can you figure it out?

It is there if you look hard enough.

It is there if you have been reading this forum the last 4 years

It is there if you have been paying close attention to SAP, NOR, Nor + and now 4D.

It is there, right out in the open, for all to see, and even Ellis said earlier in this thread you can trace its roots back at least 100 years...

I said at the outset of this thread, it was time to give Ellis a chance to regroup/collect his thoughts and to help Ozzie tell us all how to win 100 in a row.

Some of you know me, most of you do not. And likely you think I am "pulling your chain" about THE TWIST.

But others of you DO KNOW ME, and you realize it will be worth every cent you have spent so far to read these posts...in point of fact, it has cost you nothing...

I did not "invent" THE TWIST, I did not even come close to making it up.

But I did play "3D/NOR" ( Not 3D100) for several years before the 4D discussion came along. I have shared this with many of you.

I did not give Earnest his nickname "Chubby Checker".

But I did say back in early November I would tell you about a "twist" to playing 4D.

And by now you know it very well, you just do not recognize how it could potentially allow you to quit your day job.

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kachatz1

I said at the outset of this thread, it was time to give Ellis a chance to regroup/collect his thoughts and to help Ozzie tell us all how to win 100 in a row.

Some of you know me, most of you do not. And likely you think I am "pulling your chain" about THE TWIST.

But others of you DO KNOW ME, and you realize it will be worth every cent you have spent so far to read these posts...in point of fact, it has cost you nothing...

I did not "invent" THE TWIST, I did not even come close to making it up.

But I did play "3D/NOR" ( Not 3D100) for several years before the 4D discussion came along. I have shared this with many of you.

I did not give Earnest his nickname "Chubby Checker".

But I did say back in early November I would tell you about a "twist" to playing 4D.

And by now you know it very well, you just do not recognize how it could potentially allow you to quit your day job.

A long time ago, Ellis espoused a version of playing Baccarat called TWISTER

Norm has posted some of it in this thread, and anyone ( like me) who never played it may want to have a look back at it, becuz you just might learn something...In fact I encourage you to look at Norm's posted link, because all of this "history" of systems leads us to where we are today

But it is not THE TWIST I speak of, though you will know soon enough...

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And what I am thinking, what harrican has done by going back 4 years and bringing you all up to speed about "that was then, this is now"

Is, just have a look.

Can you figure it out?

It is there if you look hard enough.

It is there if you have been reading this forum the last 4 years

It is there if you have been paying close attention to SAP, NOR, Nor + and now 4D.

It is there, right out in the open, for all to see, and even Ellis said earlier in this thread you can trace its roots back at least 100 years...

One of the problems with any endeavor is that the longer we do something, the longer we are engaged in a task, the more difficult it becomes to "see" another way to accomplish it.

Of course you encounter this in your everyday life.

Like driving the same roads to/from work everyday.

Like going to the same restaurants over-and-over to eat, and despite a broad menu of "options", almost always ordering the SAME THING

Like every evening, week-in and week-out, watching the same TV programs ( ignoring the new ones)

Like preaching to your kids the "right" way to do things, and what "never-ever" to do...

Well...the "same" applies to Baccarat.

For the last 3+ years, our "YODA"/ our teacher/ our truth-be-told EDUCATOR ( Ellis) has told us their is one way that is best to approach the game.

It is called Nor/Nor+, and to play the game any other way WILL BE ( not could be) " hazardous to your wealth".

And sure enough, he was right.

We all started playing NOR, and pretty soon, it was the only way to play, at least as far as we were concerned.

We dutifully followed the "rules", we read the manual, we attended the seminars, and rarely was there a "voice-in-the-crowd" who said HEY,WAIT A MINUTE....PERHAPS WE COULD BE DOING EVEN BETTER.

That is , until Mr. E. Clifton Davis himself came along and started THE DISCUSSSION OF THE 4D.

That, and something he told me way back in 2010, in response to my posts about a HORSE WITH NO NAME, and ONE IS THE LONELIEST NUMBER ( both top 10 single songs on the music charts) hit me right-between-the-eyes and put a smile on my face unlike anything you will ever, ever see at your local Baccarat table...

More like a Barry White song might affect two lovers seeking "The Answer" ( and it is NOT Allen Iverson)

Likely, you also will want to know what it is.

It is THE TWIST.

And now that we have OZ, we soon will have several ways to "shake our money-makers" for all the world to see...

(now would be a good time to fasten your seat-belts)

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kachatz1

One of the problems with any endeavor is that the longer we do something, the longer we are engaged in a task, the more difficult it becomes to "see" another way to accomplish it.

Of course you encounter this in your everyday life.

Like driving the same roads to/from work everyday.

Like going to the same restaurants over-and-over to eat, and despite a broad menu of "options", almost always ordering the SAME THING

Like every evening, week-in and week-out, watching the same TV programs ( ignoring the new ones)

Like preaching to your kids the "right" way to do things, and what "never-ever" to do...

Well...the "same" applies to Baccarat.

For the last 3+ years, our "YODA"/ our teacher/ our truth-be-told EDUCATOR ( Ellis) has told us their is one way that is best to approach the game.

It is called Nor/Nor+, and to play the game any other way WILL BE ( not could be) " hazardous to your wealth".

And sure enough, he was right.

We all started playing NOR, and pretty soon, it was the only way to play, at least as far as we were concerned.

We dutifully followed the "rules", we read the manual, we attended the seminars, and rarely was there a "voice-in-the-crowd" who said HEY,WAIT A MINUTE....PERHAPS WE COULD BE DOING EVEN BETTER.

That is , until Mr. E. Clifton Davis himself came along and started THE DISCUSSSION OF THE 4D.

That, and something he told me way back in 2010, in response to my posts about a HORSE WITH NO NAME, and ONE IS THE LONELIEST NUMBER ( both top 10 single songs on the music charts) hit me right-between-the-eyes and put a smile on my face unlike anything you will ever, ever see at your local Baccarat table...

More like a Barry White song might affect two lovers seeking "The Answer" ( and it is NOT Allen Iverson)

Likely, you also will want to know what it is.

It is THE TWIST.

And now that we have OZ, we soon will have several ways to "shake our money-makers" for all the world to see...

(now would be a good time to fasten your seat-belts)

Perhaps you are one of the chosen few always sits in FIRST CLASS on the airplane.

Or perhaps it is extra leg room you desire, so you opt for the EXIT ROW.

And now we even have ECONOMY PLUS ( which for a additional payment of about 10% of the price of our ticket, gives us an additional 3 inches of leg-room)

But no matter where we sit, no matter how many 'free drinks' we may consume, no matter who our seat companions might be, there is a small, albeit very small, risk that the plane might not make it to the next stop...

But much like the Baccarat table, the drinks are not really free, and likely your seat companions are ones you would rarely choose for the next few hours...

Well, you'll be pleased to learn that THE TWIST won't cost you anything.

And you can change tables as frequently as you desire.

Best of all? It will give you the chance to make more $$ than you ever thought possible playing BAC.

O course, there are no guarantees.

No 100 in a row wins playing what IS, WITH THIS METHOD, PURELY A MECHANICAL 'METHOD' OF PLAY'

And, while you may suffer shoe-to-shoe drawdowns of your bankroll, you will never lose playing THE TWIST, ad your bankroll will grow ever greater, the more you play.

There is no more to it than a purely mechanical, never altered, ever deviated from "METHOD" which tells you how much to play each hand, exactly where and exactly when to place your bet, and there is never, ever any commission, unless you want to pay the house because you are feeling particularly magnanimous that day...

And it fits 4D like a latex glove fits a surgeon's hand.

That is to say,"TIGHTLY".

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I came to this forum when Twister was launched. Seems like a long time ago. it makes my head hurt...lol. I did read some of your earlier posts, interesting sporadic one's concept. You could make a sytem out of that alone :)

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I came to this forum when Twister was launched. Seems like a long time ago. it makes my head hurt...lol. I did read some of your earlier posts, interesting sporadic one's concept. You could make a sytem out of that alone :)

And therein lies " the truth" about winning baccarat.

It does no matter whether your fancy is one-in-a-row ( 1-IAR) , two-in-a-row, three-in-a-row, or how ever many you want.

Ellis has told us this many times, in many ways...but like all good teachers, he has "forgotten" more about the game than we will ever collectively know.

So along comes the 4D "discussion", and all-of-a-sudden we have gone from things like table selection, OTBL shoe-starts ( until proven wrong), since that is what the casino is serving-up, and strict rules to PLAY THE GREATEST DISPARITY

And here we are with the 4D, looking for things "in Jail" ( the least disparity!), playing as if table selection no longer matters and we can overcome just about anything with a "loosely defined" concept of net-betting , acting like we are HEDGE-FUND MANAGERS GONE WILD, on CASUAL FRIDAY.

Perhaps we should make a video of it all.

Perhaps Saturday, we will.

Back on 11/04/2013 , I could see this coming, I had played my own version of "3D + NOR+" for years, and I could see this all coming...( read my post and the thread)

Here I was, playing baccarat, looking at both the highest disparities, AND regression-to-the-mean ( lowest disparities), all at the same time.

my own creation, I was all of a sudden playing the NEXT BIG THING

You see, when I joined the forum back in 2010, my entire game was playing as if all things (B/P) (O/R) had to work out to a 50/50 resolution.

I read on the wizard of odds where this was true, Ellis even talkedabout it in 2008/2009 on this same forum.

Its just that I thought it had to be every game!!!!!

every shoe.

And then, I figured something out, something which Ellis told me, something which was confirmed by mathmeticians over 100 years ago...

I just did not know what to do with it.

But now I do.

it is THE TWIST, soon you will know it too ( it is likely you already do, its just that like me, like Ellis, you have forgotten more things about the game than most people will ever know...)

Stay tuned...I promise you a moneymaker, and you will not have to "shake yours" like Chubby did back in 1960...

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kramden

Hi Kevin,

Let me just offer you an "in advance" (and actually a "little late"), heartfelt thank you for all you contribute to this forum. As I am nowhere near

the consistant/professional bac player that you are, I still have a burning desire to learn all I can about the game.

I am so happy when I can learn something new, or a new way of doing something, from a more knowledgable person than myself. That goes for anything in my life too.

I also want you to know that I DO NOT feel entitled, by fee of admission here or birth right, to anything you have to say.

However, I have always been thankful for your posts. Even the purely entertaining ones!

I can't believe how systematic what you have sent me already is! How detailed and how informational.

It seems that I will admit that I have been a bit "slack" (Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome), in retaining the myriads of knowledge shared here.

I would assume, and correct me if need be, that the first homework reading assignment was to remind, whomever, about how the statistics of say, SAP work. I still don't understand what the "self adjusting" part is, but it was nice to be reminded of the nuts and bolts of the game.

Again, without sounding too mushy or insincere, thank you for what has come and what may come!

kramden

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Hi Kevin,

Let me just offer you an "in advance" (and actually a "little late"), heartfelt thank you for all you contribute to this forum. As I am nowhere near

the consistant/professional bac player that you are, I still have a burning desire to learn all I can about the game.

I am so happy when I can learn something new, or a new way of doing something, from a more knowledgable person than myself. That goes for anything in my life too.

I also want you to know that I DO NOT feel entitled, by fee of admission here or birth right, to anything you have to say.

However, I have always been thankful for your posts. Even the purely entertaining ones!

I can't believe how systematic what you have sent me already is! How detailed and how informational.

It seems that I will admit that I have been a bit "slack" (Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome), in retaining the myriads of knowledge shared here.

I would assume, and correct me if need be, that the first homework reading assignment was to remind, whomever, about how the statistics of say, SAP work. I still don't understand what the "self adjusting" part is, but it was nice to be reminded of the nuts and bolts of the game.

Again, without sounding too mushy or insincere, thank you for what has come and what may come!

kramden

Ralph ( Kramden)

A quick look at www.thewizardofodds.com , or even some of Ellis' posts , you will see that the simple "odds" of any single game/shoe ( ignoring TIES) is as follows:

18x- 1IAR ( one-in-a-row), before switching to the other side...B, or P

9X - 2IAR (two-in-a-row)

4.5X - 3IAR

2.25X - 4IAR

1.125X - 5IAR

Each of these is referred to as AN EVENT.

A 1-IAR is an event.

A 2-IAR is an event.

A 3-IAR is an event.

etc.

etc.

It matters not whether THE EVENT is on the Banker or Player side.

So, carried out to the "nth"degree, there are on average 36 EVENTS in every shoe, ignoring ties.

some shoes have 31 EVENTS , some have 39 events, but on average, there are 36

some shoes have far more BANKER EVENTS than player events, sometimes it is the-other-way-around

Some shoes have a lot of 1-IAR's, others have few 1-IAR's, but if you add up a bunch of shoes, the "average"- per -shoe will prevail.

AND THIS IS HOW " THE TWIST "WILL SOON MAKE YOU MORE $$ THAN YOU EVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE....

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kramden

Well then, my generous friend, I just got finished scrubbing my hands with surgical scrub...

and am waiting for them to dry so I can have the nurse apply my "surgical gloves". (non-latex for me cause I hate that powder)

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Ralph ( Kramden)

A quick look at www.thewizardofodds.com , or even some of Ellis' posts , you will see that the simple "odds" of any single game/shoe ( ignoring TIES) is as follows:

18x- 1IAR ( one-in-a-row), before switching to the other side...B, or P

9X - 2IAR (two-in-a-row)

4.5X - 3IAR

2.25X - 4IAR

1.125X - 5IAR

Each of these is referred to as AN EVENT.

A 1-IAR is an event.

A 2-IAR is an event.

A 3-IAR is an event.

etc.

etc.

It matters not whether THE EVENT is on the Banker or Player side.

So, carried out to the "nth"degree, there are on average 36 EVENTS in every shoe, ignoring ties.

some shoes have 31 EVENTS , some have 39 events, but on average, there are 36

some shoes have far more BANKER EVENTS than player events, sometimes it is the-other-way-around

Some shoes have a lot of 1-IAR's, others have few 1-IAR's, but if you add up a bunch of shoes, the "average"- per -shoe will prevail.

AND THIS IS HOW " THE TWIST "WILL SOON MAKE YOU MORE $$ THAN YOU EVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE....

so , then "what is an exploitable SAP count"

How about (30) 1-IAR's, when 18 per show is the norm?

Or how about (15) 2 -IAR's ,when 9 per shoe is the norm?

or (8) 3-IAR's when 4.5 is what usually happens in an "average" shoe...

Ad that is what SAP is all about...finding the anomaly of what-is-currently-happening in a shoe versus what -is-" normal" ( average per shoe)

You find the "anomaly" , like (for example ) 2-IAR is happening way more often than "normal" and next time you get a 2-IAR result ( 2B, or 2P IAR), and you bet it WILL NOT GO TO 3-IAR

pretty much sums-up SAP, so "now what??"

This is the essence of THE TWIST, tis is how you will forever make $$ off THE TWIST.

( pay attention)

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kramden

Funny...

A light bulb just went off for me, then I logged on to post a question to match the "answer" you just wrote, Kevin.

On your Red Rock card/explanation I noticed that you made some decisions using SAP as a guide. But didn't see a track on the card. But since I never understood SAP to begin with, I never used it or thought anything of it. Until now.

I guess now we may have a 5D to track?

But how to apply it over many shoes? Just one seems reasonable... But many?? (or is there a reset when we enter a new shoe...hmm...)

Man, please let me know if you have any more to reveal.

If I am talking too much in the public section, also let me know.

Patience Grasshopper=I know, I know.

Thank you!

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Kevin are you going to the seminar saturday?

Brendan, I do not think I can be there, even I already have a ticket on SW for Friday...

Some other things have come up, but will let you know I am able to rearrange schedule...

Would really like to make it, as I am much better at "getting things" / understanding when I am a "participant" in the conversation, rather than just watching it...

I'll let you know if things change and I can rearrange schedule ( damn airline ticket cost more than THE SEMINAR!!)

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My, oh my, it is apparent the natives are getting restless.

And now we have yet another senior member worried that The Twist could be "just another fiasco" on the horizon. Like I said yesterday, the longer one plays this game, the easier it becomes to " forget" more about HOW TO WIN ,than most other players will ever know.

So just a bit of a (short) "history lesson", as we embrace the eve of the 4D seminar...might be helpful to many of you who are still in the process of learning NOR/NOR+

Back in mid-September, Ellis started to talk about using the concept of DISPARITY to further EXPLOIT the chances of winning. In fact, he even promised that if anyone would start a thread on the topic, he would "chime in" with some things he had been "pondering-over" for a number of years....

Ironically, I had been playing a version of 3D, in concert with NORSAP, on my own for several years, so on 9/19/2013 I made an initial post about the 3D method ( all except the OO/TT disparities)...it was all about Bac Exploitation.

Its just that at the time, I was still looking only at BIG disparities ( just like NOR+), and felt my middle-class upbringing was thankfully "keeping me out of jail"

No, it was not called 4D at the time, in fact it had no name at all.

But, as fate would have it, I had written several posts back in late 2010...one entitled ONE IS THE LONIEST NUMBER, and the other A HORSE WITH NO NAME.

And so as I played shoes over the next several weeks, and thinking back to what Ellis had told me about my 2010 "musings", aswell as betting progressions, I came to realize that there was, perhaps, something else about DISPARITY and EXPLOITATION that might warrant looking into.

And YES, this is where I thought of the concept of THE TWIST.

I was excited, and wanted to tell others to see what they thought, but as I carefully "explained" to other Forum Members, I did not feel it was "fair" to start such a discussion before Ellis had a chance to release the 4D "rules", as likely I would just confuse the other members of the Forum.

So, I repeatedly refused to discuss my belief that their was something about 4D we might all benefit from....

I DID go so far as to write about my excitement over the 4D "possibilities", posting mostly under the Thread WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?

All of this is factual. ( Look it up)

The 4D moniker was given to the Thread , and we have been discussing now for 4 months "about how to play the 4D"

So here comes the upcoming 4D seminar, and I am finally to talk about THE TWIST, and along comes I JUST WON 100 SHOES IN A ROW! ( aptly named 3D100)

Forum members are excited, retirement parties are planned, and Bac Enthusiasts worldwide are ready to tell their boss to "TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT".

So, attempting to "do the right thing" , I once again decide it is best to "hold back" on THE TWIST, as even the seminar has now been changed to a discussion of 3D100.

I post two days ago I will reveal it in time for the weekend seminar, but mostly I will slowly "leak" THE TWIST, so as to engage Forum Members while Ellis, Ozzie and Keith prepare for the release of 3D100, and to take the focus off inane, surreptitious questions surrounding the mysteries of 3D100.

So.

We have cleared that up.

YES, there is a TWIST, and within 24 hours you will know it.

( how about them apples?)

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kramden

4D+... 4D plus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yay!!!!!

"No sleep Till Brooklyn" for me tonite !!!!

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So.

We have cleared that up.

YES, there is a TWIST, and within 24 hours you will know it.

( how about them apples?)

YOU HAVE EVERYONE'S ATTENTION !

YOU HAVE POSTED SAMPLE SHOES

YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOU ARE "REAL"

"JUST SAY NO TO A 3D100 FIASCO"

We all appreciate your genuine effort.

CC

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Well, I guess I have to go back to work for at least one more day.LOL :)

YA, My boss is looking over my shoulder.... worried..... LOL

CC

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kramden

Well, I don't see it...

I have just poured over about 25 shoes (some partials that I quit early).

The number of events seem logical but I just cant see a logical pattern of what to do with them.

Shoes with more than the standard number of 3's, for instance, have a couple intermingled 4's in there. How would SAP tell me to bet that a 3 will not

become a 4?

It seems more accurate with a shoe rich in 2's. But who knows?

Any progression averaged out over a long period would have to be something that would itself, average out mildly without a large uptick. (close to flat betting?)

Also, I wonder if this can be averaged out with shorter shoes mixed in. (just going by events in groups of 36?) At least one casino near me uses 6 deck shoes.

I am very curious as to the application of "the twist".

I would love to add to the math conversation, but I just can't see it.

Just thoughts.

I will be quiet now...

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Forum members are excited, retirement parties are planned, and Bac Enthusiasts worldwide are ready to tell their boss to "TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT".

YES, there is a TWIST, and within 24 hours you will know it.

( how about them apples?)

Kachatz1,

I seldom post, but this sounds exciting! It's fun reading all these "teaser" posts. I'm sure there are a lot of members reading.. and waiting..

My day job is a factory worker - maybe this is my way out!!:wink::tongue:

Abby N

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