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Hi Kevin,

Thanks for sharing this new idea/method! I think i am beginning to grasp it, but still have a few questions.....

1. would you want to choose low "Twist" #'s, such as 1,2 or 3, because some shoes it takes forever for a player to hit 4 or 5 in a row,

or maybe not at all in that shoe.....for example, if you choose 1/1, then you would be able to bet more often then if you chose 5/3

your numbers?

2. are you playing this "Twist" method and only looking for a few hands to bet each shoe, as when your numbers dictate to bet?

Thanks,

mtman

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I get lost in the tracking seriously add that to quick dealers. The bet I should have one I skipped and the one I lost is the one I played even with u1d2m2 ,my losing bets go up to 5~7 units quickly. I like winning my one and two unit bets only. I should have left at +25 units including commission. This is just my honest opinion.

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I get lost in the tracking seriously add that to quick dealers. The bet I should have one I skipped and the one I lost is the one I played even with u1d2m2 ,my losing bets go up to 5~7 units quickly. I like winning my one and two unit bets only. I should have left at +25 units including commission. This is just my honest opinion.

Practice = speed.

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Katchatz1, are you playing the shoe only until you are ahead by one unit?

If yes, then do you change the twist numbers and keep playing the same shoe for another unit?

Abby N

while testing different method, i find if you are using a progression wining a unit or two and quit the shoes actually flavor the casino more, because this way we missing on the high hit rate, area

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I get lost in the tracking seriously add that to quick dealers. The bet I should have one I skipped and the one I lost is the one I played even with u1d2m2 ,my losing bets go up to 5~7 units quickly. I like winning my one and two unit bets only. I should have left at +25 units including commission. This is just my honest opinion.

Gee whenever I am fortunate to be in a shoe that has just gifted me +25 units, I wouldn't let it drop below +20 units, by this time you are deep enough into a shoe that the turn of the worm can come out and there are very few hands left in the shoe to revolver a large sequence of losses.

The deeper you are in a shoe, the tighter your stop / win should be. If you are unable to figure this out, you need to give your head a shake and hope you did some good. For some..... They just don't get it.

Heck! During summer of 2013, I managed to win 38 consecutive partially played shoes as a result of tight stop win >= +5 units per shoe that equates to minimum +190 units! DO THE MATH... Some shoes were played as little as 4 minutes!!! My highest winning shoe was +26 units and two shoes above +10

How? NOR+.

Ellis does not agree with this method, but I don't want to wastes hours at the table chasing for the tailored shoes that give +20 units like you see posted on the forum because...... SIMPLY, THEY DONT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN... Yes, you read it and don't let anyone tell you any different.

As I leave the tables winning in such short time.. Consistently, I could hear Chinese players complain why I leave so quickly because they follow me almost hand per hand. I know I've said this before but, dealers have even asked me to teach them my method.

Money management and risk management is key. NOW GET OUT THERE AND PRACTICE IT.

I'm going back to bed... Lol

CC

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Hi kramden . The way it is looking to me , coulden't you work the running count into this way of play ? Anything over a (-/+3) would be good for your o/r , or o/t choice if you were playing them . And in between (-/+3) would be for oo/tt ?

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I get lost in the tracking seriously add that to quick dealers. The bet I should have one I skipped and the one I lost is the one I played even with u1d2m2 ,my losing bets go up to 5~7 units quickly. I like winning my one and two unit bets only. I should have left at +25 units including commission. This is just my honest opinion.

Gee whenever I am fortunate to be in a shoe that has just gifted me +25 units, I wouldn't let it drop below +20 units, by this time you are deep enough into a shoe that the turn of the worm can come out and there are very few hands left in the shoe to revolver a large sequence of losses.

The deeper you are in a shoe, the tighter your stop / win should be. If you are unable to figure this out, you need to give your head a shake and hope you did some good. For some..... They just don't get it.

Heck! During summer of 2013, I managed to win 38 consecutive partially played shoes as a result of tight stop win >= +5 units per shoe that equates to minimum +190 units! DO THE MATH... Some shoes were played as little as 4 minutes!!! My highest winning shoe was +26 units and two shoes above +10

How? NOR+.

Ellis does not agree with this method, but I don't want to wastes hours at the table chasing for the tailored shoes that give +20 units like you see posted on the forum because...... SIMPLY, THEY DONT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN... Yes, you read it and don't let anyone tell you any different.

As I leave the tables winning in such short time.. Consistently, I could hear Chinese players complain why I leave so quickly because they follow me almost hand per hand. I know I've said this before but, dealers have even asked me to teach them my method.

Money management and risk management is key. NOW GET OUT THERE AND PRACTICE IT.

I'm going back to bed... Lol

CC

Yes a pet peeve of mine other players copying you and won't bet till you have made the decision.I can care less if I leave the table early because they all have the look of desperation. I can make the whole bac table bet with me. Its crazy. We are the best at this game.

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Yesterday,

I told you I would give you THE TWIST by morning, and my morning ( here in the CENTRAL TIME ZONE) ends in 15 minutes

so lets get to the point, shall we?

Play whatever disparity you want, play forever, but play like this ( reminder: you picked the numbers 4 and 2, not me...)

(It's OK ,it will work no matter what, it just depends on how deep your bankroll is....)

Here is the TWIST.

Given everything I have said, from SAP counts, to bankroll, to not paying commission, to making the big $$, to posts/threads all the way back to 2010.

Its simple.

Using the numbers you selected.

WHENEVER THE PLAYER HITS 4-IN-A ROW ( note I said: Player)

AND THEN SWITCHES TO THE BANK ( note I said :Bank), and there is 2-IAR Bankers,

bet on Player.

1/1, 3/2, 5/3, 3/5 , it is all the same...( ELLIS will explain this to you...he explained it to me 4 years ago!)

If you WIN, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact circumstances to repeat, and using U1D1 betting , bet again.

If you win, CONGRATULATIONS!

If not, wait for the exact same circumstances to repeat ( in our case 4 Players, followed by 2 Bankers, just so you do not have to pay commission)

Repeat as necessary

Has anybody Danced this Twist as yet ?

Does it work ?

Will it work ?

What do you think Ellis ?

Thanks !

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Has anybody Danced this Twist as yet ?

Does it work ?

Will it work ?

What do you think Ellis ?

Thanks !

Possibly. But a question for Kevin first:

You used O/R in your example to be 4/2, yet your trigger is 4 Player then 2 Banker. How does that relate to O/R? Wouldn't that be P/B = 4/2 instead?

Regards,

Glenn

"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison

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Kach,

Can you please post a score card of a shoe using 4D and incorporating the "twist" on it to see it in action with play by play. You may want to post it in the private section. I think it would help everyone. Thanks.

Be happy to, and YES I will post it before the weekend seminar.

BUT AGAIN, I will only send it to NOR members privately, as it would be inappropriate for me

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Just worked on posting long update of last 10 days playing "the twist" in all/part of 48 shoes here in Las Vegas

Up over $11,000 after all commission and "unresolved" U1D1M2 bets.

Hit "submit". and lost my whole post!!

THE TWIST.

IT WORKS.

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Just worked on posting long update of last 10 days playing "the twist" in all/part of 48 shoes here in Las Vegas

Up over $11,000 after all commission and "unresolved" U1D1M2 bets.

Hit "submit". and lost my whole post!!

THE TWIST.

IT WORKS.

Thanks Kevin....that's EXACTLY why I type all long posts in Word first then copy and paste into the thread post lol...

But a question:

You used O/R in your example to be 4/2, yet your trigger is 4 Player then 2 Banker. How does that relate to O/R? Wouldn't that be P/B = 4/2 instead?

Regards,

Glenn

"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison

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It is simple and all simple ideas are very good ideas. It sound to me that it is similar to what Ellis mentioned when you play the OTR bet U1D1in modes 2/3 in the NOR approach. Anyway it is very relaxing to play like this, specially after a 4D session.

Good job kachatz1

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It is simple and all simple ideas are very good ideas. It sound to me that it is similar to what Ellis mentioned when you play the OTR bet U1D1in modes 2/3 in the NOR approach. Anyway it is very relaxing to play like this, specially after a 4D session.

Good job kachatz1

Kostas,

Can you expand on the counts Kevin used in his example? I'm still not sure how he picked 4/2 for O/R yet used it for P/B as the betting trigger.

Regards,

Glenn

"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison

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I'll try Word next 48 hours

In the meantime, this is simple U1D1M2 " math"

It is a version if the Dalembert betting sequence

Ellis has explained many times in this forum the method, the risks and the rewards

So I will not go into that...

In my original post, I did not want to get into a discussion of how commission could affect the outcome

So I picked the "trigger point" to only be Player

In reality , it works whether the trigger point is Banker or Player

Here is how I have done it last 10 days, playing all or part of 48 shoes

After a 3-or-more " event" on either P/B side, it will eventually switch to the opposite B/ P side.

After the switch occurs, and immediately after it has gone 1 win in the weak side , SWITCH BACK and bet the strong side which had the 3-or-more event

It's a 50/50 proposition over many shoes

Pretend all 48 shoes were laid end-to-end, even though played at many different casinos over 10 days

This is how it works... Ellis can best explain the risks, the rewards, the probabilities, the "bankroll issues"

I integrate this play into my NOR+/4D style of play

If you do not understand the probabilities of a 3-or-more "event" followed by a 1 event on the opposite side, or any number followed by any number, reread Ellis answers to my two original posts

And, if you don't understand U1D1M2 betting, do not play the TWIST until you do...

Good luck to all!!

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Just worked on posting long update of last 10 days playing "the twist" in all/part of 48 shoes here in Las Vegas

Up over $11,000 after all commission and "unresolved" U1D1M2 bets.

Hit "submit". and lost my whole post!!

THE TWIST.

IT WORKS.

I've lost post before also. When starting to retype a message I did find there to be a restore auto saved button that appears in the bottom left of your input panel that helps. It appears that the software saves your work every few minutes.

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K,

Congratulations on your success with twister.

Using u1d1m2 over the course of your 48 shoes what did you find to be your biggest drawdown and highest bet? U1d1m2 is powerful but it can also be volatile.

PurpleInk

I played U1D1 at Gold Strike Tunica a couple trips. Won all 40 shoes to the tune of +20, +30. But I was also exploiting the fact that Gold Strike is particularly vulnerable to OTB4L with new cards in the morning. Also when playing U1D1, you can reduce risk by going down 2 when winning bets of 5, 6 or 7. If you lose a 7, you are pretty much done.

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