dinosaur331 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Could someone please draw out an example of S40M1 in a shoe? I'm a visual learner, and sometimes words don't make sense to me. I know that we are dropping F2.I would really appreciate it- Dino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfgirl007 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Here you go. This was kindly given to me by another forum member when I asked that very same question. I hope this helps you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinosaur331 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yes perfect! Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman72 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Thanks for posting the shoe. I have a couple of questions/observations though. I see you are flat betting 1 unit which is interesting. Do you always do this or do you ever apply the NOR, NOR+, or +5 2HI progressions? And if not, is flat betting successful for you? Just curious.Also, it appears that after each lost OTR bet (play #'s 9,13,17,24 etc.) you are making your bet a repeat instead of starting S40 over and betting opposite the last play which is what S40 should do I believe. Is this modification something you apply in your play? Again just curious. Heck, maybe I play it wrong.One more, at play #46 shouldn't that be an OTR bet after the loss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Gentlemen, I believe that shoe just played was incorrect in the use of S40M1. I have taken the liberty of transcribing it to another sheet and playing it using S40M1 as I understand the rules AND from looking at the sample that Ellis posted up awhile back. I "flat bet" it as the original poster did. If this interpretation is NOT correct, please let me know and we'll get a correct posting up in an area where we can collect all of the major plays in one thread. As I'm currently only "up to speed" with S40M1 and BaS40, those are the only two I have hard copies of for now. I believe I can explain pretty much any hand in this shoe if you need to ask a question about it. Once again, if this is NOT correct, please let me know and we'll all get back on the same sheet of paper for moving forward. S40M1 NEEDS long streaks and lots of ones! MVS (still testing graphics sizes for posting) Edited April 22, 2014 by MVSeahog Spelling error Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich333 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I don't think the original scorecard is correct. S40M1 would lose every bet to those terrible twos. MVS version looks to be right: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 MVS (are you Adulay?) This looks like the way I played it so I think you're correct. Now the catch...Could you replay this with BaS40 and post it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I don't think the original scorecard is correct. S40M1 would lose every bet to those terrible twos. MVS version looks to be right:Rich, are you referencing MVS's play or golfgirl007's play? MVS's does lose to the TT's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich333 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 MVS is correct... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 MVS (are you Adulay?) This looks like the way I played it so I think you're correct. Now the catch...Could you replay this with BaS40 and post it?Steve, Yes, I am. Yes, I'll post up the same shoe under BaS40 after lunch. Right now my brain is so fried I couldn't even play the morning shoe in the "Million Dollar Quest". Actually, I've already got it (BaS40) played out but just haven't scanned it for posting yet. I'll get it this afternoon. I'm thinking if we can get a good shoe example for each wagering play, it can be put in its own "picture" thread for future reference with no questions on the play, just the graphics. Questions can be asked separately by pointing to the appropriate picture until we get them all done right, for once and for all!! MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaccDJ126 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 MVS it was played incorrect it was my 1st attempt at s40m1 i get it now ty for your interpretation man i made ALOT OF MISTAKES IN THAT SHOE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich333 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 The funny part is...however you played it, you ended up not getting knocked out by the two's.....maybe your version is better...lolmaybe there's an S40m1 straight repeat and chop version in there with system depending on OR count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman72 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I would think after two 2iar's maybe the best thing to do is wait until the TT run stops then consider starting back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 The funny part is...however you played it, you ended up not getting knocked out by the two's.....maybe your version is better...lolmaybe there's an S40m1 straight repeat and chop version in there with system depending on OR count.I thought that too and played 3 quick games all flat betting. 2 were winners the third crashed and burned (but a stop loss might have worked) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfgirl007 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I am new to NOR and know nothing. But many thanks to all of you for teaching me everything! Each of you has made this the best site for winning baccarat in the world. Thank you for all your observations and learned comments. I have a summary flow chart that I shall post tonight. It is a visual summary of the NOR teaching mannual. Could you please all take a look and correct it and add to it. I will then edit it and post a final draft. This will be helpful to all the new commers to NOR. The newbies are the future of this site. We need to make the information as easy as possible for them to understand. Thank you again for all your amazing comments!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveO Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) In case anyone is interested, attached is a PDF with all the 4D counts shown (P/B, O/R, O/T, OO/TT). Hey, got it to insert too!Sugar House 4-21-14.pdf Edited April 22, 2014 by SteveO Trying to insert image as well as attach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman72 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Here is the shoe played out with the +5 2HI progression. Progression within a progression didn't come in to play on this one. Interestingly enough, I got to +5 before the TT run, but I played it out, showing how I would sit out the TT run after two 2iar's came up and get back end when confirmed the run had ended. Never got below a -4 and the shoe ended at +9.image2014_04_22_14_26_050001.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted April 22, 2014 Users Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Here is the shoe played out with the +5 2HI progression. Progression within a progression didn't come in to play on this one. Interestingly enough, I got to +5 before the TT run, but I played it out, showing how I would sit out the TT run after two 2iar's came up and get back end when confirmed the run had ended. Never got below a -4 and the shoe ended at +9.[ATTACH]2899[/ATTACH]Hey gman, thanks for playing out the shoe. As I understood the progression within a progression for S40M1, I think it does come into play after each losing 2 bet. Also, I would stop after the first losing 2 and wait for TT's to end.So on plays #11 and #12 there would be no bet. After losing the 2 bet on play 10 I would wait until TT's end and bet again at play 20. Play 21 would be a 3 unit bet (the second bet in the progression which began with the losing 2 bet on play 10).Similarly, no bet on plays #30 through #33. Play #36 would be a 3 unit bet.Win 12 units in the shoe if played to the end, but more importantly, +5 is hit early (as you mentioned), and agan at play #26 and #38 -- plenty of opportunities to capture +5 in this shoe, without ever going negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigVic Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 In case anyone is interested, attached is a PDF with all the 4D counts shown (P/B, O/R, O/T, OO/TT). Hey, got it to insert too![ATTACH]2898[/ATTACH]If anyone did this in a casino they would be laughed right out of the casino.. It appears you've taken an already overly complex system and made it more of a mess. Come on folks, the game isn't that hard. You don't need SIXTEEN columns of "counts" to know what to bet on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 MVS it was played incorrect it was my 1st attempt at s40m1 i get it now ty for your interpretation man i made ALOT OF MISTAKES IN THAT SHOE!!!BaccDJ126, Not a problem. That's why we post things up. To make sure we're all doing this correctly. I had help with S40M1 as I didn't "get it" at the start but another member clued me in as I was still working on S40 and it wasn't the same. Everybody wins when we learn something. I know I did. MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Note to any latecomers to the thread. This shoe is NOT played correctly but it is left here for thread integrity. Continue to read and you'll come to the correct version.MVS==============================================================All, OK, here goes my best attempt at this. It will be on the same Sugar House shoe posted earlier. One caveat with this. Try as I might, I can NOT find the thread or message with the original explanation of BaS40. I know I've seen it somewhere as I wrote down the play so I could keep it separate from other plays in the "+5 Million Dollar" challenge. If anyone has the actual rules and finds that this play is incorrect, PLEASE let us all know and I'll get it corrected and reuploaded. With that said, here's what I believe to be BaS40. Now all we need is BaOTB4L explained and we'll be off to the races. We'll get these three plays under control if it's the last thing we do!! MVS (relearning right along with everybody else) Edited April 23, 2014 by MVSeahog Added leading note at the top of the message. Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfgirl007 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 The rules for system 40 mode 1 are located in thread titled "Tracey's casino Niagara shoe" post #29 as stated by Ellis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman72 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Not sure I follow your play here MVS. What mode are you playing? Could you explain why no bets at plays 7 & 8? Seems like plays 6 & 7 would be otr bets in M2 then back to S40 on play 8. And in M3 an otr bet on play 7 and then back to S40 on play 8. Just my thoughts on how I understand things. M3 I hit +5 at play 16 and M2 I hit +5 at play 10. I'll try to post it up in the morning. I don't have scanner at home right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryczy Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 All, OK, here goes my best attempt at this. It will be on the same Sugar House shoe posted earlier. One caveat with this. Try as I might, I can NOT find the thread or message with the original explanation of BaS40. I know I've seen it somewhere as I wrote down the play so I could keep it separate from other plays in the "+5 Million Dollar" challenge. If anyone has the actual rules and finds that this play is incorrect, PLEASE let us all know and I'll get it corrected and reuploaded. With that said, here's what I believe to be BaS40. Now all we need is BaOTB4L explained and we'll be off to the races. We'll get these three plays under control if it's the last thing we do!! MVS (relearning right along with everybody else)BaS40 (high 1's on the tote board or high 1's and 2s) (Same as S40 except for your secondary prog.)Objective: +5 units Best to wait for a 2iar to start and about ten plays1.) Bet a 1,2 up as you lose primary prog on opposites. (You can only lose your primary prog to a 3iar or a 4iar when starting after a 2iar.) 2a) If most of the 3s have gone to 4 start your secondary prog 12358 directly under the 3iar If that 1 bet wins, wait for the run to end and start over.2b) If it loses start over but after the next 3 your secondary prog is up to a 2 bet. (12358) up as you lose after 3iars.3.) If most of the 3s so far stayed 3, start your primary prog opposite the 3iar (if that 1 bet wins, start over at 1) 3b) Same as 2b.Notes: In extreme chop full of ZZs you may decide not to wait for a 2iar to start since you could miss aZZ run.Starting mid shoe you have history to tell you which way to go with your secondary prog - on or against 3s.You can stay on runs once on them but remember, you are only trying to get to 5.Thats about all there is to BaS40.so this shoe all 3s have gone to 4s+, your secondary prog should go OTR after 3iars not ATR after 3iars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfgirl007 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Isn't the OR count in this shoe negative and decreasing? Aren't we supposed to apply SD40M1 to this shoe? The original posting of this shoe was to demonstrate how to play SD40M1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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