MVSeahog

OK guys, let's take a time out from this love fest and steer the conversation back to the Bet Phoenix multi-deck observation. Or, you could take it to baccaratlabs and let "Malcop" deal with it! MVS

BetPhoenix has always used at least two shoes as far back as I can remember. They will shuffle them at the table, but they are switched in and out, probably already shuffled when they show up. MVS

Probably the most difficult thing for me to deal with. This was much easier for me to recognize over the years. A win is a win. Very, very true. MVS

Chief, I knew I was good for something around here!! Looking forward to working with your update. MVS

To answer both questions the first one is -10 for my "stop limit". If the shoe starts out pretty easy, I'll make a "test" wager from +6, just to see if the runs will continue. If they do, I'll play on but stop if it gets back to +7 or +6 in a losing streak. The name of the thread here in the forum for this "OT+" mechanical system play is: A Simple Million Dollar System The thread is about 80+ messages or so by now but the basic idea is right at the start. It's probably one of the main reasons I read EVERYTHING on the board. You just never know when something might just grab your attention and you can work with it a bit to perhaps make it work with your own style of play. Of course a good understanding and fast play at OTB4L and TBL is a must when running "on the fly". In the basic system, not using any stops, the losing pattern is 2,1,1,1,2,1,1,1. MVS (if my failing memory hasn't left me yet)

I so want to write a reply to that question but I'm being on my best behavior these days, so I'll just ask: Really? Bar a $50 player who wins? What planet? MVS

OK, here's my play on that shoe. This is not NOR. I've been running using the slightly out of date "OT+" play that was posted up in the forum a few months ago. Why? Because I can run it, literally, on the fly. There is no need for me to write anything down if I don't want to. I can jump into a shoe just by looking back for the first "4iar" or a nice 1-2-1 and I know instantly where and what to start in on. I do wait out losing streaks as notated by the "-" entries where an appropriate wager would have been made. I was tracking SAP with it but then I'm back to using paper again and sometimes I don't run with a chart. So, this was played as I would run it "for real". As I struggled in this shoe for quite some time, I was more than happy to see MY target of +6 finally show up and get out of it! The wagering is a straight 1-2-3 and wait for a win after any losses of 3iar. So far my longest "losing" streak of shoes is only two in a row so I can live with that. I'm a conservative player and it does cost me a lot of units in some shoes, but I can deal with it as my play and plans are based on monthly play and not on a day to day or shoe to shoe comparison. With December about to finish, I'll have my yearly "final" numbers and they're looking good with three weeks to go! MVS

Hmm, just noticed it tonight and I'll make a run on it after dinner and post my results. MVS

Are you "playing" the stock market or are you "invested" in the stock market? MVS

mceight8, Are you just looking for "samples" of what each one looks like or are you looking for previously played shoes that have those particular events in them? Making up a "sample shoe" with all of the previously mentioned events should take all of three minutes. Or am I completely off track here? MVS

Wow. Very good. Day 1. First post and you've already got all the answers. Good luck with your game. MVS

Hamster, Never, never, ever take the signup bonus (or any other bonus) offered at the online casinos. As most people never take the time to actually READ the sign up and banking agreements, they are totally surprised when they can't take their new found winnings out because they haven't played 300x their buy-in playing slots!! Some casinos do not allow table games to count towards your "play through". READ, READ, READ the agreements and then then just decline ANY bonus. Some people appear to thrive on "clearing any bonus" but I much prefer to just play the game as a winner and skip all those oddly slanted bonus playthrough requirements. MVS

Hamster, Kindly refrain from speaking about things that you know nothing about. Luckily Ellis saw your message before I did. In the future please stick to what you know best. Your "description" of the Private areas of this forum is woefully incorrect. MVS

What type of baccarat machine are you working with? Strictly computer generated? Real cards? Stadium baccarat? MVS

Fragilistic, Well, everyone has an opinion. Yours is one of many and can be seen in a lot of casino oriented boards. Hopefully you will spread your message to the various gambling forums out there and not just "spot check" this one. I happen to believe that although the casino cannot be "beaten" overall, there are times and games where it can be beaten WHILE I'M AT THE TABLE. That's a very big difference in philosophy. It's all in how you look at, and attack, the problem! MVS

NLB, I don't actually track the success rate as a percentage of correct wagers. I do track weekly gross/net wins and losses. I do track winning and losing shoes though. If I'm running in that 70% to 85% range week after week, I know things are going well. I do record every shoe, religiously. It is important (at least to me) to have a record of every shoe if not for anything other than to be able to go back and see how it was played and if something newer would have also worked or been easier. The gambling money is in a separate account and not touched by anybody for anything other than baccarat. As I've mentioned, the majority of my play is currently online as I tend to only play one full shoe or a few "short" shoes to take the win for the night. Actual B&M casino time is limited for me but I do try to get down to the local indian place at least once a month. One of the lessons I learned here early on was to not get all wrapped up with winning a massive amount of money each time I go into play the game. My brother has that particular problem and he's a chronic loser. I'm perfectly happy to take the +6 (and up). All those little wins add up at the end of the month and year. Baccarat, for me, is a long term project. Winning $300 is always better than losing $3000. Do that almost every time you play and it really adds up. Once you start keeping good records, you'll see the money adding up nicely and at the end of the year, it is nice to look back and see that you're "in profit" again. Anyway, that's how I work with it. MVS

Tsen, I'm thinking that those graphics got lost during the infamous Egyptian attack of a few years ago. We lost a lot of files, graphics and threads in that one and I'm betting that's why the links aren't working now. I do remember that system play and when it was "ON", it was really a blazing piece of work. I'm sure if enough guys mulled it over, they could work out the details again but it was a very volatile system play for sure. I thought I had the original sample files here on my computer but all I've got is the original description that is already here. MVS

Gentlemen, Can it possibly be FIVE years now (if it's August, it must be five years!) that I've been on a winning streak in baccarat? When did it start? Well, if you'll take the time to read this thread (it's small enough) you'll see the whole story and it started right here. For the 5th year in a row, I'm in profits and still moving right along. I am confident that a lot of the information I gained here got me headed in the right direction. I am not a not an exciting player to watch. My game is boring and I'm very conservative with my play, but a win is a win and at the end of the year, they all add up. So, this is my annual statement of fact that although there may not be one single system or method that will take all the money out of the casino, there are many ways to win, and you can find the best of those plays right here. I am not paid to say any of this. I get no money from this site. I am merely a satisfied paid up member of the team. MVS

Great pix!! Thanks. MVS

McVince, No, I haven't tried it again for two reasons. The first of which is there are no roulette games near me! The second is I only did that as a test to see if it would handle what was supposed to be the "worst ever" run or something like that. MVS

Johnnycs1, Pretty straight forward. Black was Banker. Red was Player. He had stated that there were 59 reds out of the 200 spins. Strictly BaS40 (or S1 as we're calling it now) to start and it held up all the way through. From the way the guy was describing it, I thought for sure I'd be moving to S4+ early on, but it never was needed. MVS

All, I was reading though one of the roulette based forums and one of the threads had something to do with some "worse case ever recorded" of red/black disparity in 200 spins. As that would equate to about 3 or 4 shoes, I figured I'd see what MDB could do. Didn't sound all that bad to me but I see things differently I guess. Decided to run MDB on it mainly because it would be a mechanical system running against a mechanical game and not cards. End result, running MDB strictly by the rules: +51 units to finish with a high wager of TWO!! Always good to know if the baccarat tables are full or smoky and you're killing time. MVS

There's something everybody would love to hear. Somebody complaining to you that you're making too much money and not playing enough. Deal with it!! Nice job. MVS

I was just about to reply to this thread and say that BaS40 ran through this nicely but then I went back and saw that you already DID have it in there. Like minds and all that. I'll head back to quiet mode now. MVS

Dinc, Well, online baccarat has its good and bad points. As a US player, your choices are pretty limited and many people just refuse to deal with the problems that sometimes arise when playing online. Many people have no problems. Some people have more than enough for the rest of us. Recommendations for online play is to READ THE SIGNUP AGREEMENT completely. Then read it again, especially the parts about BANKING and the amount of information they are going the NEED to get from you to either deposit the first time or withdrawl the first time. It is pretty invasive and some people will not want to release that amount of private information. With that said, almost all of the online casinos do have a LIVE table where you can play with fun money. This is NOT the computer simulation games, it is with the live dealer, just like playing for real money on the same table. PRACTICE ON THOSE until you can run NOR (or whatever you're working with) forwards and backwards in your sleep. As I'm only really aware of two (possibly three now) online venues that will accept US players, you can see that we're pretty much limited in our choices. 5Dimes (dot com or dot eu, I don't know), BetPhoenix dot ag, and Sportsbetting dot ag appear to be the only ones at this time. Once again, before you send anybody any money, run a LOT of practice time and be very comfortable with whomever you choose. My recommendation is to NOT take any of the bonus money that will be offered and pushed on you when signing up. Like I mentioned previously, READ the agreement and UNDERSTAND what it says. Some people have a lot of problems with online play. Some people have zero. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense, but that's the way it is. Test and test some more until you're convinced that they can be trusted with YOUR money. MVS