Live Shoes - Post Your Shoes Here

[MVSeahog]

All,

As this is the public area of the forums, anyone can post up here and ask questions.

If you have a recent shoe you've played that gave you trouble or want to find a few "live" baccarat shoes to test on, you can post them up here and anyone can use them to work with.

Just be sure and mention where it came from. Please, no RNG shoes in this thread, only "live" dealt casino hands.

And, because I've just posted these up in our private area for all the members to dissect, I'll post yesterday's shoes here for you all. Always keep your score cards when leaving the table as it gives you a chance to go over your plays to see how you might have done it better.

MVS

Seminole Hard Rock, Immokalee Feb 22, 2010

Shoe #1

B113121241112

B1211211111111131

B6153212

B211312112

Shoe #2

P14121313121

B61612211

B251116121

P21216312

Shoe #3

P3112161122

P61411115

P1513523

P112125

[MVSeahog]

Here's a nice live shoe we got out on the boat the other night.

How'd it work for your method of play?

B214423112

B2112113211221

B3231123(11)41 (that's a ZZ run of 11 in parentheses or eleven 1's)

MVS

Edited April 4, 2010 by MVSeahog

[Norm A]

Here's a nice live shoe we got out on the boat the other night.

How'd it work for your method of play?

B214423112

B2112113211221

B3231123(11)41 (that's a ZZ run of 11 in parentheses or eleven 1's)

MVS

Got +15 playing NU SAP U1D2M2

NormA

[MVSeahog]

Got +15 playing NU SAP U1D2M2

NormA

Excellent. I ran Maverick at U1D2M2 and got the target win of +10 by hand 23. I'm still not sure I can handle some of the later wagers in U1D2M2 but it works quite well. Largest bet was 5 and after I exited the shoe, it finished at +29!!! When it's working, it's working very well!

Maybe I should set my target higher???

MVS (it was a rhetorical question, of course)

[Norm A]

Excellent. I ran Maverick at U1D2M2 and got the target win of +10 by hand 23. I'm still not sure I can handle some of the later wagers in U1D2M2 but it works quite well. Largest bet was 5 and after I exited the shoe, it finished at +29!!! When it's working, it's working very well!

Maybe I should set my target higher???

MVS (it was a rhetorical question, of course)

You know what would happen if you do. LOL

[MVSeahog]

Here's an interesting shoe from Bet Phoenix last night.

Not a streak of 4 anywhere to be seen!

As posted in the private forums, NuSap just killed this shoe!

MVS

Bet Phoenix 4-21-2010 Table 4

P1123122112211

P211221111332

P12132122222

P11111113

[MVSeahog]

Here's another one to work with from Bet Phoenix today.

Enjoy. Pulled +15 out of this.

BetPhoenix 2:30pm - - - 4-25-2010

B26321123

B7221111212

B111141263

B12122

[ADZ505FL]

Thanks for posting up those shoes when you get them. I find it very difficult to get live hands from the various baccarat sites. I really can't use the RNG shoe results so picking up a few new shoes here is very appreciated.

[MVSeahog]

Hmm, I should get over here more often.

Here's another shoe from Bet Phoenix tonight from around 8:30pm, May 7th, 2010.

Pulled a nice profit out of this one.

Test it against your play.

MVS

Bet Phoenix May 7, 2010

P2211121411121

B212131311212

P112316734

[MVSeahog]

Hmm, not many people playing baccarat or else nobody is charting the table and keeping their score cards.

However, for those of you who are practicing, here's a shoe from today's winning session at Bet Phoenix.

Pulled a nice profit out of this one again.

Test it against your play.

Also, when you play it out or track it, do you notice anything odd about this shoe?

MVS

Bet Phoenix May 16, 2010

B1711113311

B3416114

B281111111111

B43

[ADZ505FL]

There was a guy in another forum who posted up the following shoe and said he was happy to get +1 out of it. Not quite sure why he added that as this shoe appears to be able to hold itself together long enought for at least a +10 or +15. I tried my own way of playing it and got to +10 with no problems..

Here it is. (Hope I've figured out the posting convention correctly).

B211221242111

B11123241122

B12411111125

B41111211111

It looks pretty streaky to me and generally that's usually a good thing, I think.

[PAULSAVAS]

The two shoes above are duplicate

[MVSeahog]

The two shoes above are duplicate

Paulsavas,

Which two shoes are those? Are you talking about the two that I've recently posted?

MVS

[PAULSAVAS]

can't tell anymore. i copied the shoes to try my system, and as i realized i had previously copied the shoe i was on i skipped it and went on.

i made no notes on my work so i can't tell which shoe was duplicated. sorry.

paul savas

[MVSeahog]

All,

Hopefully some of you out there are getting something out of these shoes or getting some practice time in on them. Can't believe there's only two of us who get live shoes every day.

Anyway, here's the end of this weeks shoe action.

Five days, five shoes, five wins, this one being the smallest profit of only +14.

Bet Phoenix May 28, 2010

B61132133

B33116321

B51112122113

B111551

Use it for practice and here's hoping you've got a good, winning system play for it.

MVS

[ADZ505FL]

All,

Hopefully some of you out there are getting something out of these shoes or getting some practice time in on them. Can't believe there's only two of us who get live shoes every day.

Anyway, here's the end of this weeks shoe action.

Five days, five shoes, five wins, this one being the smallest profit of only +14.

Well, I'm thinking that anyone who posts up a shoe here is showing a winning shoe.

What we really need to see is people posting up a really bad, losing shoe where they just got killed in it.

Then we can test against that one!

[MVSeahog]

Well, I'm thinking that anyone who posts up a shoe here is showing a winning shoe.

What we really need to see is people posting up a really bad, losing shoe where they just got killed in it.

Then we can test against that one!

Hmm, OK, that sounds like a good idea.

The next time I actually GET a losing shoe, I'll post it up here and see what happens.

So far, in over 4 months exactly ONE other person has posted up their results of a shoe that was put in this thread and that would be NormA, who also just happens to be a Private area member here, and I believe he said he won that shoe running NuSap.

So, I'll see if I can come up with a "loser" and post it up. It won't be a huge loser as we do use stop losses in every shoe. Why fight a difficult shoe when you can just move on to the next one much easier!

MVS

[Mreteuya]

Well, I'm thinking that anyone who posts up a shoe here is showing a winning shoe.

What we really need to see is people posting up a really bad, losing shoe where they just got killed in it.

Then we can test against that one!

If you send me a losing shoe I will play it using my Maverick system. I'm not sure if you are a full member or not, but if you are hesitating to see if these systems work before you join, thats a fair request and I don't blame you for thinking that way. For me personally, I'm not an owner of this forum, so I don't get a dime. So I don't really care if anyone signs up or not.

In fact, consider this an open invitation for anyone to send me all your losing shoes or toughest shoes. The easiest way is you can take a picture of your shoe and post it here or message it to me.

I will play them all using Maverick and let you know how it goes. So far Maverick has won 100% of its sessions, (notice I did not say shoes). Maverick is an approach to playing the game, not a 100% mechanical system, but its darn close. So if you are looking for a 100% mechanical system, that will win 100% of your shoes, that does NOT exist. However, Maverick as you will see here is running darn near the 100% mark averaging at least +10 per shoe on the low side.

I am now trying to put on a Live Boot Camp/Webinar together that will explain the basics for everything needed to play, even for a new person to the game. It will cover everything from the basics and terminology to what you need to know to win with Maverick. Then I will use the same toughest shoes as the examples to teach the Maverick system. I will go over everything on how to play it, along with the REASON behind the bets which will include the rules and the logic behind them. This is very important as when you know and understand the "Why" it make you and they system you are using even stronger.

For this Live Boot Camp, I plan on making a full manual that will be sent to you that will include a ton of information, sample games, and play by play. I will also include a DVD recording of the Boot Camp so that you will have something that you can replay over and over at your leisure as well as live question and answer period. I am also attempting to arrange it so that all who register and sign up for the Boot Camp gets included a FREE 1 month subscription to Beat the Casino forum, where you will be able to get ongoing support to ensure you are on the way to winning asap.

If this would be of interest to anyone, I need feedback so I can decide whether there is enough people to justify the cost and effort for me to put all this together. I am thinking at least 50 people to make it doable.

Please let me know on the Baccarat Boot Camp thread. Also let me know what time/day would be best for you. I will try to hold it at a time which is best for everyone. Probably a weekend during the day. Also it will be recorded, so that even if you cannot attend, I will make sure you get everything and you can follow up on the forum with all the other members.

Edited May 31, 2010 by Mreteuya

[PAULSAVAS]

The posted baccarat shoe is a real tough delivery for those who play baccarat expecting to "follow the shoe" meaning bet the side that won last.

In that way, when the shoe delivers a long consecutive win delivery on any side your on it for as long as it lasts.

The posted shoe had a total 27 chops (single winners=1) 12 (double wins=2), and six higher runs.

The six are--- one (three),--- four (four's)--- and one (five).

A craps player-- using the "don't pass" --- "two run" max system --going against the winning side--would have earned one unit on each of the "chops" (single winners) and one unit on each of the double wins. This is a win total so far of 39 units. The system lost 3 units on each of the six runs in excess of two. The money management betting routine is bet one unit until you lose.

Then again bet against the winning side with two units. That is it!!!

If you loose you lost three units.

If you win you win one unit net. (you lost one unit in the prior bet and now won two making up the loss and earning one unit profit. Ok that is it!!!!.

When you have lost three units because the winning side won three in a row you pass until that side looses.

You start against the new winning side betting one unit against the new one unit win.

This is called--- "don't two"--- in the craps pit.

Never bet against the three or any higher run. Wait for the loss to the run side and start again. The longest run i have seen was 23 in a row on players.

Side. Trying to don't the run of 23 means you lost your money and your clothes.

Rule of thumb: Reduce your exposure . The casino has the edge against you no matter what!!

Have a realistic unit win goal. Make it and quit. Then play the next shoe. Win objective and quit.

The don't system depends on chops being in command. Wins one unit at a time but often.

The shoe above housed 27 chops--12 duces and 6 runs higher than two. Chops and duces gave you

39 single wins.

The six higher runs cost you three units each or a loss of 18 units.

Don't system delivered a win of 21 units. (you can't win on the last chop cause you can't

bet against as the shoe ended. The score is +20 units.

Baccarat shoes are "negative" (loaded with chops) play don't. Positve populated by runs of three or more with scarce chops. Neutural populated by only 8 runs with close to 10 chops per side and some twos==break even or a small loss.(8 runs x3 = 24 lost units) chops total =20 units won---plus the twos win one unit each.

Learning to quickly spot shoes as you go is the function of "beat the casino" (members forum). Learning to use don't or other approaches can be learned at btc which then gives you the opportunity to practice before going live as did the junior member who posted this shoe.

Best of luck all.

[gablaw]

Some recent BPH shoes

B2111111212126 Note streak to chop back to streak

B71114132

B222122113111

B21111114

B11712121311

P71121233

B17111432

B2251

B131142131111 Because the OT count was neutral in the first half of the shoe, I net bet O vs. T (remember net betting?) Didn't know what else to do. Then OTB4L goes wild.

B5312112212

P1321222214

P2

[maxfli52]

MVS

Looking for some feedback.

I played 10 shoes in the internet using U3Hi/2Hi with the following results

+14, +34, -5, +15, -4, +11, -13, +20, +7, -13

This is a net avg of +6.6 units per shoe. I played these mechancial with the following exceptions; I exited if I hit the same positive results twice in the third col and exited at -13 on loosing shoes at any point I hit 13.

My question is if these were played in a live casino vs the internet would I have had better results. I am assuming that the internet play would have been, by nature, random and the casino results would have been non random based on shuffle machines or hand shuffle, etc. Also by playing the internet there is no opportunity for table evaluation before playing.

Your thoughts are appreciated !!!

[Norm A]

Some recent BPH shoes

B2111111212126 Note streak to chop back to streak

B71114132

B222122113111

B21111114

B11712121311

P71121233

B17111432

B2251

B131142131111 Because the OT count was neutral in the first half of the shoe, I net bet O vs. T (remember net betting?) Didn't know what else to do. Then OTB4L goes wild.

B5312112212

P1321222214

P2

In the first shoe you have 22 hands, in the first col. ????

and the second shoe 21 hands in the first col.

NormA

Edited June 7, 2010 by Norm A

[MVSeahog]

MVS

Looking for some feedback.

I played 10 shoes in the internet using U3Hi/2Hi with the following results

+14, +34, -5, +15, -4, +11, -13, +20, +7, -13

This is a net avg of +6.6 units per shoe. I played these mechancial with the following exceptions; I exited if I hit the same positive results twice in the third col and exited at -13 on loosing shoes at any point I hit 13.

My question is if these were played in a live casino vs the internet would I have had better results. I am assuming that the internet play would have been, by nature, random and the casino results would have been non random based on shuffle machines or hand shuffle, etc. Also by playing the internet there is no opportunity for table evaluation before playing.

Your thoughts are appreciated !!!

Max,

I'm assuming the internet casino was one with a live dealer? If so it really shouldn't be all that different from a live dealer B&M casino.

Table evaluation is much better for me "online" as opposed to my local casino as my local Indian casino has no tote boards and usually only one table in play and I'm the guy playing it!! At least when I go to BetPhoenix I can see what the four tables are doing and if one of the smaller limit tables looks good, I'll jump on in.

Averaging +6 a shoe is good anytime! As you have found out, having an EXIT plan can really save the day. There's no use in fighting a shoe that's giving you a beating. Take the small loss and live to play another shoe.

MVS

[maxfli52]

MVS

Thanks for the reply

Actually the results were from an internet site (Bodog) that most likely used a RNG. Still with +6 I was happy with the results. I am using U3Hi/2Hi as a starting point to learn and understand some method and then move on to other more complex methods that are listed on this site. Maverick has caught my attention but there is much I do not understand at this point to be able to follow Mark's program in detail.

Any suggestions you have on how to progress through the various methods would be helpful.

Thanks again

Max,

I'm assuming the internet casino was one with a live dealer? If so it really shouldn't be all that different from a live dealer B&M casino.

Table evaluation is much better for me "online" as opposed to my local casino as my local Indian casino has no tote boards and usually only one table in play and I'm the guy playing it!! At least when I go to BetPhoenix I can see what the four tables are doing and if one of the smaller limit tables looks good, I'll jump on in.

Averaging +6 a shoe is good anytime! As you have found out, having an EXIT plan can really save the day. There's no use in fighting a shoe that's giving you a beating. Take the small loss and live to play another shoe.

MVS

[ECD]

Maxfli, while your hard cash mgt rules are fine, MVS is right. Eventually you get a feel for a struggling shoe vs a good shoe. Rule 1 is Never play a losing shoe. What this really means is get out of a struggling shoe at the best opportunity. Give good shoes more room for maneuverability and struggling shoes less. Change tables after a rough shoe.