System 40 Advanced

[punvit]

Yes it is possible. To win flat betting you must simply win more bets than you lose. So the task becomes good system selection, just as we teach it here. Note that we would have done quite well on the Hollywood shoes had we merely flat bet. But, the same thing that makes a shoe a good flat bet shoe also makes it a good prog shoe. And the limited 345 also prevents runaway progs.

Thank you Ellis, I will keep this in mind.

[gablaw]

System 40 Questions

I've taken a break but am now getting ready ready for a few days in Vegas.

Questions:

1. In the Sys 40 manual, 5+s aren't counted. Why?

2. In the sample game on the last page, 3s are most common (if I remember correctly) but you lost to every one (confirmed and unconfirmed). With real money, would you try to win all the MC as well as lose to the LC?

[jerseyslim]

Best advice I can give you is if it isn't working, don't bet it. Wait until it starts working again or the LC/MC changes.

System 40 Questions

I've taken a break but am now getting ready ready for a few days in Vegas.

Questions:

1. In the Sys 40 manual, 5+s aren't counted. Why?

2. In the sample game on the last page, 3s are most common (if I remember correctly) but you lost to every one (confirmed and unconfirmed). With real money, would you try to win all the MC as well as lose to the LC?

[ECD]

System 40 Questions

I've taken a break but am now getting ready ready for a few days in Vegas.

Questions:

1. In the Sys 40 manual, 5+s aren't counted. Why?

Hi Gabby! If we counted 5's, 5's would ALWAYS be LC until there was a 5 in the shoe. In most shoes we would simply be betting opposites throughout and the system would not work.

2. In the sample game on the last page, 3s are most common (if I remember correctly) but you lost to every one (confirmed and unconfirmed). With real money, would you try to win all the MC as well as lose to the LC?

Forget MC, they automatically take care of themselves. Bet OTR under LC. In that shoe 4's were LC so you were betting opposites until there was a 4. Therefore you win on ALL 1's, 2s and 3s. No way to lose on them.

You need significantly more study before you are casino ready. If you can't get 40 down pat by then, you are better off not playing it. ADN is simpler and the way the guys recently posted on this thread is a good way to play it.

[punvit]

i used 345 prog i don't really use rd1 just F2 and 40

Thank you blacktiger.

[Baccplay]

Here's an interesting shoe that I encountered tonight from my local casino. Ellis and whoever is good with System 40 Advanced, please play this shoe and post the result. I would like to know the result based on this new method that we have.

B5313112112

B113112344

B741131111

B312232

[jerseyslim]

Played this all the way through with RD1. Using a simple 1,2,3,4,5 with no M2 I wound up +34. If more aggressive with a M2 it would have been well over +40.

You wouldn't have used opposites with the strong O/R count for repeats.

Here's an interesting shoe that I encountered tonight from my local casino. Ellis and whoever is good with System 40 Advanced, please play this shoe and post the result. I would like to know the result based on this new method that we have.

B5313112112

B113112344

B741131111

B312232

[ECD]

Here's an interesting shoe that I encountered tonight from my local casino. Ellis and whoever is good with System 40 Advanced, please play this shoe and post the result. I would like to know the result based on this new method that we have.

B5313112112

B113112344

B741131111

B312232

Good Job Jersey! Right, the OR count started right out strong minus and ended up -9. For the same reason I selected F2 (new rules) with a 345 limited prog. With a count this strong its hard to go wrong either way. This table had likely been a minus count table all day and an F2 table all day. But RD1 was also an excellent choice since you didn't see your first 1 until play 9.

I quit with +42 at play 66 with a 3 bet due. (Don't go below the decade you are in in the last col.)

My worst position was -2 at plays 30 and 34. No other dips into minus territory. Straight F2. No need to post it. Very simple! The new rule worked beautifully every time. No 0 bets - I played every hand to play 66.

Baccplay, how did Maverick do?

Edited October 26, 2010 by ECD

[ECD]

Ellis can we apply system40A on even money bet on roullette? if so, when the 0 or 00 occur how do we mark it down on our score scard? can we just mark it as red , black when it occur and accept that loss? ok this is what i mean, say i bet on red and it hit the 0-00 shoiuld i just mark it in black? same as when i bet on black and mark that in red? sorry my english is bad but hope this is clear to evry1

Right Black Tiger. You can play 40 or 40A on red/ black, odd/even and Hi/Lo. Cancel out the 0 00 by placing a small bet on 1,0,00. I recommend playing 3 cards on all 3 choices at the same time. See, all 3 can't go bad at the same time. Quit when you are ahead and start over. Best to quit after a losing round but a + score.

[ECD]

Here's an interesting shoe that I encountered tonight from my local casino. Ellis and whoever is good with System 40 Advanced, please play this shoe and post the result. I would like to know the result based on this new method that we have.

B5313112112

B113112344

B741131111

B312232

For those of you who are wondering how and why I selected F2 for this shoe right off the bat here is my explanation.

First, as Jersey said, we rule out 40 right off the bat as the shoe begins with a straight run and the OR count is already -5 at play #8.

So now our choice is either F2 or RD1.

The shoe is pointing at both virtually equally. It starts with straight runs following straight runs which points directly at RD1 but F2 ALSO likes straight runs of 3 or more following straight runs.

The shoe has no 1's until play 9 = RD1

But it also has no 2s until play 16 = F2

So F2 and RD1 are neck and neck and EITHER will do fine.

BUT, of the two, I know that F2 is the stronger of the two streak systems because F2 beats 1's which are half of all events overall.

So given an equal choice I'm going to pick F2 until it proves wrong - which it never did. Simple deduction.

Hence, +42 using our primary Cash Mgt rule - decade Cash Mgt in the last col.

Edited October 26, 2010 by ECD

[Norm A]

For those of you who are wondering how and why I selected F2 for this shoe right off the bat here is my explanation.

First, as Jersey said, we rule out 40 right off the bat as the shoe begins with a straight run and the OR count is already -5 at play #8.

So now our choice is either F2 or RD1.

The shoe is pointing at both virtually equally. It starts with straight runs following straight runs which points directly at RD1 but F2 ALSO likes straight runs of 3 or more following straight runs.

The shoe has no 1's until play 9 = RD1

But it also has no 2s until play 16 = F2

So F2 and RD1 are neck and neck and EITHER will do fine.

BUT, of the two, I know that F2 is the stronger of the two streak systems because F2 beats 1's which are half of all events overall.

So given an equal choice I'm going to pick F2 until it proves wrong - which it never did. Simple deduction.

Hence, +42 using our primary Cash Mgt rule - decade Cash Mgt in the last col.

When did you start to ply F2 and on what side ?

Thanks

Norm

[ECD]

And just to solidly demonstrate that System 40 has great overlap, I played Baccplay's shoe using 40, limited 345 prog with 2's culprit (since the OR count was strong minus). You'd think the -9 count would kill 40 but remember, 2's culprit is the correct way to play 40 in a minus count shoe.

Well, straight 40, 345 continuous (no 0 bets) hit a record breaking + 60 units at play 63. I quit there because the 3 bet due could take me down out of the 60 -70 decade. Never thought I'd hear myself saying that. The shoe stayed + score all the way through hitting +12 in the first col, +22 in the 2nd, +56 in the 3rd and +60 in the 4th.

So, if you think 40 can't beat streak, think again. THAT is what we mean by overlap.

[ECD]

When did you start to ply F2 and on what side ?

Thanks

Norm

Hi Norm! I started right at play 2 Bank because it is EXTREMELY likely that I would have known I was at a streak table. Shoes this streaky don't come out of the blue. The same with Sys. 40, 2s culprit.

Edited October 26, 2010 by ECD

[Norm A]

And just to solidly demonstrate that System 40 has great overlap, I played Baccplay's shoe using 40, limited 345 prog with 2's culprit (since the OR count was strong minus). You'd think the -9 count would kill 40 but remember, 2's culprit is the correct way to play 40 in a minus count shoe.

Well, straight 40, 345 continuous (no 0 bets) hit a record breaking + 60 units at play 63. I quit there because the 3 bet due could take me down out of the 60 -70 decade. Never thought I'd hear myself saying that. The shoe stayed + score all the way through hitting +12 in the first col, +22 in the 2nd, +56 in the 3rd and +60 in the 4th.

So, if you think 40 can't beat streak, think again. THAT is what we mean by overlap.

Ellis Can you please post this shoe the way you played it each way.( F2 & 40 )

Thanks

Norm

[jerseyslim]

I find that extremely interesting. Never thought of using 2's as culprit in a strong minus count. That takes care of those pesky 1's that come along when you're playing RD1. Of course you'll have to keep a close watchout on the 2's. If you get too many of those it will hurt too.

Ellis Can you please post this shoe the way you played it each way.( F2 & 40 )

Thanks

Norm

Edited October 26, 2010 by jerseyslim

[ECD]

I find that extremely interesting. Never thought of using 2's as culprit in a strong minus count. That takes care of those pesky 1's that come along when you're playing RD1. Of course you'll have to keep a close watchout on the 2's. If you get too many of those it will hurt too.

Yeah! I thought so too!

[ECD]

Ellis Can you please post this shoe the way you played it each way.( F2 & 40 )

Thanks

Norm

Sure Norm! ANYTHING for YOU, good Buddy.

Except both my scanners are down due to a bad scanner port but I'll post the plays both ways below if someone else would be good enough to transcribe to a scorecard and post them.

First, F2: Note that I played to my new rule from a month ago that says:

If you switch sides and lose the first bet, switch right back.

Instead of: You must make a min. of 3 bets on a new side.

This new rule worked great in this shoe just as it has in others. Anyway:

B5313112112

B113112344

B741131111

B312232

Play# and bet:

01, no bet

02, B3

03, B3

04, B3

05, B3

06, B3

07, B4

08, P5

09, P3

10, P4

11, P3

12, P3

13, P3

14, P4

15, P3

16, P4

17, P5

18, P3

19, P4

20, P3

21, P3

22, P4

23, P3

24, P4

25, B5

26, B3

27, B4

28, B3

29, B4

30, P5

31, B3

32, B3

33, B3

34, B4

35, P5

36, P3

37, P3

38, P4

39, B5

40, B3

41, B3

42, B3

43, B3

44, B3

45, B3

46, B3

47, B3

48, B3

49, B4

50, P5

51, P3

52, P3

53, 54

54, P3

55, P4

56, B5

57, B3

58, B4

59, B3

60, B4

61, B3

62, B3

63, B3

64, B3

65, B4

66, B3 QUIT

No strange plays whatsoever - Straight F2 345 continuous, 5 Hi

Note, this shoe also demonstrates the value of decade cash Mgt.

I figure you guys can add up the score (I got +42)

I quit at Play 66 because the next bet could have taken me out of the 40-50 decade.

Edited October 26, 2010 by ECD

[ECD]

OK, the same shoe played Straight System 40, 2s culprit, 345 continuous, 5 Hi

B5313112112

B113112344

B741131111

B312232

Play#, Bet

01, No Bet

02, P3

03, B4

04, B3

05, B3

06, B3

07, B4

08, P5

09, P3

10, P4

11, B3

12, P4

13, P3

14, P4

15, B3

16, P3

17, B4

18, B5

19, P3

20, B3

21, P4

22, P5

23, B3

24, P3

25, B4

26, B3

27, B4

28, P3

29, B3

30, B4

31, P3

32, B4

33, B3

34, B4

35, P5

36, P3

37, P3

38, P4

39, B5

40, B3

41, B3

42, B3

43, B3

44, B3

45, B3

46, B3

47, B3

48, B3

49, B4

50, P5

51, P3

52, P3

53, P4

54, B3

55, P3

56, B4

57, B3

58, B4

59, P3

60, B3

61, P3

62, B4

63, B3 Quit at play 63 at +60 because next bet could take me out of the 60-70 decade.

Somebody check both shoes for accuracy because my eyes are shot after all that. Thanks!

Could easily be some typos.

Edited October 26, 2010 by ECD

[ECD]

Ellis,

Under the new F2 rules. I think there is a mistake at hand 17. 17 should be a bet on banker because we just han a 2 iar on bank. That bet lost so at hand 18 we should be back on player. Am I seeing this wrong?

Thanks,

PJ

Edited October 26, 2010 by ECD

[kkriats]

OK, the same shoe played Straight System 40, 2s culprit, 345 continuous, 5 Hi

B5313112112

B113112344

B741131111

B312232

Play#, Bet

01, No Bet

02, P3

03, B4

04, B3

05, B3

06, B3

07, B4

08, P5

09, P3

10, P4

11, B3

12, P4

13, P3

14, P4

15, B3

16, P3

17, B4

18, B5

19, P3

20, B3

21, P4

22, P5

23, B3

24, P3

25, B4

26, B3

27, B4

28, P3

29, B3

30, B4

31, P3

32, B4

33, B3

34, B4

35, P5

36, P3

37, P3

38, P4

39, B5

40, B3

41, B3

42, B3

43, B3

44, B3

45, B3

46, B3

47, B3

48, B3

49, B4

50, P5

51, P3

52, P3

53, P4

54, B3

55, P3

56, B4

57, B3

58, B4

59, P3

60, B3

61, P3

62, B4

63, B3 Quit at play 63 at +60 because next bet could take me out of the 60-70 decade.

Somebody check both shoes for accuracy because my eyes are shot after all that. Thanks!

Could easily be some typos.

Hi Ellis

I think on is:

30 P4

31 P5

32 B3

Tanks -kostas

[ECD]

Regarding the System 40 Advance version:

I think hands 30 - 39 contain some mistakes. Shouldn't hand 30 be a player bet?

Edited October 26, 2010 by ECD

[ECD]

Right, I goofed at hand 30 and missed betting under a 2. Can you guys fix it up and then post it?

[ECD]

Ellis,

Under the new F2 rules. I think there is a mistake at hand 17. 17 should be a bet on banker because we just han a 2 iar on bank. That bet lost so at hand 18 we should be back on player. Am I seeing this wrong?

Thanks,

PJ

I'm looking at my actual shoe. Hand 17 should be B5, and 18 P3. If I got that wrong its just a typo and won't effect the score. Sorry. I got interupted by a bunch of phone calls and made some typos. There may be others. But that other shoe I actually made a mistake. PJ can you fix and post these?

[ECD]

One point I was trying to make for the new guys who are starting with the System 40 Manual and that is all they know so far is that System 40 CAN beat streaky shoes as well as nearly all choppy shoes.

Also that the 345 is not nearly as aggressive as you might think at first glance. IF you choose your system wisely.

[ECD]

Ellis,

We have severe weather with a tornado alert and a bad front moving thru. Normally I would be glad to post up these shoes, but Shirley insists that we go to the basement.

Can someone else post them?

Thanks,

PJ