CANADABACC Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 Hi Everyone: Need to understand how many of our current members when on the gaming floor, FLAt BET (Let's keep KEVIN out of it, as we know he Flat bets every time, or does he?)or use some level of NEGATIVE PROGRESSION. For Example below. This will help us understand each person's personality and how they approach the game. The reason for this is that the club can teach you different systems and approaches, but if you can't get a handle on your bankroll, you will get disappointed and lose most of the time. Need to be honest!!!! Fibonacci System D'Alembert System Labouchere System Martingale System Parlay Betting System Paroli Betting System Thank you, CanadaBacc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacoperator Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) I have always used a fibonacci or martingale system. However as of lately I have tried just to be flat betting. Edited March 22, 2020 by Bacoperator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trillion Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 I have been flat betting for the past 3 years using a 1-2 loop ONLY after being up 4 units or more. My stop loss is 4 units per shoe NO EXCEPTIONS. However my hit rate is not over 50% on a consistent shoe to shoe basis, but I am not chasing my losses in the shoes if I lose 4 units in a shoe. If I lose 2 shoes in a day of playing the worst case scenario would be a STOP LOSS of 8 units per session. This will protect my bankroll from a big loss in a session of multiple shoes played that day at the casinos. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natural Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 For years I would be up one unit with every loss and down one unit with every win before I came to BTC and now I mostly flat bet or use Plus1. I love Plus1 and if I think my units are getting too large I just reduce them, no problem. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 I have also tried most of the betting systems, not just in Baccarat, but in Craps and Roulette. It's unbelievable how creative some people can be. That being said, I mostly flat bet now. I will use a mild Plus 1 in a difficult shoe, being happy to break even. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bones Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 I flat bet half units until I reach 1 full unit, then continue flat betting with a trailing stop loss ala W84it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Pamela Conkey Posted March 24, 2020 Users Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Right now both my wife and I are flat betting. Up 2 or 3 chips on a run. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted March 26, 2020 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) Good commentary here. There are many, many betting progressions which can be USEFUL, OR, DESTRUCTIVE...” depending”... SPOILER ALERT: Everything logical for you as a player depends on your “ hit rate” ( percentage of bets you win, vs. those you lose.), your bankroll, your tolerance for risk and your understanding of how to read a shoe, and bet/don’t bet accordingly I never ventured progressed to the math level of QUADRATIC EQUATIONS ...( surprisingly, my former wife did) , but if I had, thinking I could give you a A+B, -2xC, divided by .5A = D ( decision...what to do/ bet how much). ( substitute P, B, numerical results, O/R count, bankroll, etc...) . Or something like that...I don’t understand it, likely you wouldn’t, and it might take a calculator at the table to make any decisions ( um, not allowed...) Yes, I do believe flat betting is the long term best option for the vast majority of players. That said, tomorrow Keith working on a another video as part of his review of BTC Legacy approaches to Baccarat bet decision-making. It might help those of you who want to go beyond simple flat betting, but at a reduced risk than some of the more historically infamous systems which were primarily developed for Roulette... Stay tuned. Edited March 26, 2020 by kachatz1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted March 26, 2020 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) An example... (WHAT WOULD THE PIT BOSS THINK??) . Yikes. Edited March 26, 2020 by kachatz1 Update 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted March 26, 2020 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 Might be a little more subtle, once you figure it how to use it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barneypip Posted March 26, 2020 Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 Put me down as a flat bettor....Always, unless a major run or chop develops, then I'll up as I win. But that's the only time. If I want more money, I'll just up my base bet. Works for me! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted March 26, 2020 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 1) “ improving “ your BetSelection win-rate day by day, week by week, month by month should ( IMO) be your #1 TARGET to aim for. - so make sure you measure it, increment-by-increment, until you finally settle on what measurement yields the best results...( Rinse & Repeat)...careful to keep accurate daily and cumulative stats to help you truly evaluate/ improve your progress. 2) Next, learn how to break-down your results / measurements into sequences smaller than a whole shoe... ( 1 hand, 10 hands, 1/2 a shoe, etc...etc...) - This is Manufacturing 101 !! ( they don’t start by evaluating the finished product, they break-down the individual components of measurement to focus on each procedure, each process...the result being a better outcome! - NOTE : Your hit-rate will likely ascend over time, and as you gain confidence in same, you will become a better / more successful player! 3) MEASUREMENT + EVALUATION OF RESULTS (more practice, study/review of plays made ) + CONTINUAL ‘ ADJUSTMENT” To create your own methodology works best for you WILL RESULT IN A BETTER HIT RATE ( and this is how you will win flat-betting) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat A Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 I currently flat bet except when I am in a 1-2 chop. Then I play a simple 1,2 negative progression. This is very low risk. If you are flat betting, you make 1 unit on a single and 0 on the 2 iar. When you finally get the 3 iar you lose 2 units. When you use the 1,2 progression, you make 1 unit on the singles, 1 on the 2 iar and lose 3 on the 3 iar. Example: Shoe: 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 3 Flat bet: 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, -2= 3 1,2 Progression: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, -3= 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXM Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 I pretty much have to flat bet . My hit rate isn't good enough for any type of progression. I rarely hit three in a row. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souljazz1990 Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 I’m not used to flat bet but I believe it should be more Safe for me since I’m having troubles to maintain my wins, but I have hard time to have gains with flat bet... if you have any suggestions for me please contact ^^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted March 30, 2020 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) SoulJazz- OK — S.U.G.G.E.S.T.I.O.N...here you go... HOW2WIN-BETTING101 (a) Starting with betting hands 1-10, establish a “GOAL” for yourself 1st 10 hands ( Flat-betting , win 1 more than you lose, only making 1 bet those sit 10 hands, MAX!) When you get to +1 or -1 , even it is your very 1st bet, COMPLETELY (!) STOP BETTING UNTIL HAND 11( excluding ties) ———————————————————————————————————- (b) Hands 11-20 the same, still down to 1 bet max, and if you get to +1 or- 1 within this range , COMPLETELY STOP BETTING UNTIL HAND 21 ( excluding ties) ——————————————————————————————————— (c) Repeat for hands 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, etc etc until shoe is over THERE YOU HAVE IT !! FLAT BET, Wayyyyyyyyyy LESS FREQUENTLY, BUT WITH MORE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, AND YOU WILL BECOME A LONG TERM WINNER - You will gradually improve your hit rate. - Your confidence will grow. - Your ability to discern between BadBets, NoBet, GoodBets, BetterBets, Best Bets - Will improve by the day. And you will forever understand how/why your HIT RATE % is the most important tool in your toolbox, the one measurement which will give you the ability&confidence to increase your unit size. Ignore this @ your own risk ( and please, don’t say I never told you so...) There you have it SoulJ- - (and no...Lessons 2-?? Are not even up for discussion....) So pulleeze don’t ask until you master 101, and have demonstrated just exactly how you went about it for everyone on this forum... ( I just somebody told me about 101 years ago...) Edited March 30, 2020 by kachatz1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccplay Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Hi Baccarat A, Can you explain more on your progression? I don't get how you would be -2 when flat bet when you hit 3iar. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Grind Posted August 3, 2020 Report Share Posted August 3, 2020 Hi: I mostly flat bet until I get to a certain sub level. Each pattern, which I call levels, has a calculated number of sub-levels depending on the pattern. Then depending on what the score-card reads I raise my bet. It is a very limited negative progression and I use a 1-3 unit bet spread only... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users richinmich Posted November 27, 2021 Users Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 I've came across a system called "star 2.0" on youtube. it's a hybrid system. It has two stages. Stage 1 is flat betting until you're down 7 units. Stage 2 is a neg. progression (5, 5, 10, 10, 15, 20, 25, 35, 45, 60) After a win you parlay it once. The "hammer" bet. If the hammer bet wins, start all over at 1 unit. (I stop at this point if I'm ahead 1+ units) RichInMich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barneypip Posted December 9, 2021 Report Share Posted December 9, 2021 Kevin has again hit the nail on the head with his response to SoulJazz. Your hitrate is everything. Without a good one, you'll NEVER consistently win. We're talking about your average long-term hitrate here....even those players with HR averages in the 60s can't hit like that all the time. It's like streaks and slumps in baseball. But it's better for us bacc players because we can simply stop playing when we're in a slump. And that's EXACTLY what you have to do. When your hit rate, or anything else for that matter is causing you to stumble, STOP PLAYING!!! I couldn't agree more with Kevin on this. Ask Kevin! (kachatz1) We've played together and he'll tell that I "sit on my hands" every bit as much as he does ---- maybe even more so. And we both flat bet. Really is the safest way to fly. AFTER you get your hitrate up, if you want to make more money, just increase your flat bet, and bet your new bet amount every time. I've increased my flat bet 5 times over the past 2 years, and I've never had to bring it back down. When things start to go badly, I just STOP BETTING!!! I really can't offer any better advice than than. Today I'm a VERY happy camper. You can be, too! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted December 9, 2021 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted December 9, 2021 BP is spot on… WE ALL RUN INTO SLUMPS, EVEN WE BEHAVE JUST LIKE WE ALWAYS DO. Good analogy to Baseball…any sport…even those played one-on-one ( like tennis, golf, etc…) We have all experienced ‘ slumps’ at work, ‘ slumps’ in our relationships, ‘slumps’ picking restaurants, etc, etc. Take a break. Practice more than usual. Open your eyes to new developments might help you improve. I hit a slump recently in both Baccarat AND my sports betting efforts — both at once. So, after a RECENT brief comeuppance, I stopped. TEN DAYS, no bets on anything. Went back to my Banker’ boxes full of stuff, stats, etc, …BUT NO BETS PLACED. Put together a few new Baccarat playbooks, and come Monday of next week ? ( you know it ) TRY IT. Get-In-The-Groove Flat-betting, and when you are there, you will know it…(and you’ll know when it just might be time to increase it) Best of skill to you ( as you become ‘ more - good) , luck plays an ever-decreasing role in your success😎 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winbac Posted December 10, 2021 Report Share Posted December 10, 2021 Hi guys, The only reason people flat bet is because their bet selection is poor. If your hit rate is regularly over 60%, (which if you consider yourself to be a professional it will be) you must check your bank roll and keep increasing it when you reach certain levels. You can bet as high as $1000 bets. BUT make sure you reach a certain level before going to the next level. Every single person I know who plays a negative progression ALWAYS LOSE!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member wolfat Posted December 10, 2021 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted December 10, 2021 First, it depends on what “system” you are playing. I usually flat, but allowing increase (by 50%) of bet value in case of negative shoe, according to my long term stats. A 2 Quote bacclover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie Posted December 10, 2021 Report Share Posted December 10, 2021 17 hours ago, kachatz1 said: WE ALL RUN INTO SLUMPS, EVEN WE BEHAVE JUST LIKE WE ALWAYS DO. This is key, IMHO. At least for me, if I lose a couple of units, it changes my mindset. It's harder to play with a clear head. If all you think about is how to get back to even, you might start betting higher and chase your losses. This rarely works. I've actually made a trip to Vegas, lost 4 units the first shoe and stopped betting the rest of the trip. Maybe come back home early. That was a drastic move and that was a while ago, but we really need to take breaks and be smart. And unless you were just paying attention to what I was doing, you wouldn't notice that I'm in a slump and taking a break. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted December 10, 2021 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted December 10, 2021 12 hours ago, winbac said: Hi guys, The only reason people flat bet is because their bet selection is poor. If your hit rate is regularly over 60%, (which if you consider yourself to be a professional it will be) you must check your bank roll and keep increasing it when you reach certain levels. You can bet as high as $1000 bets. BUT make sure you reach a certain level before going to the next level.WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY. Every single person I know who plays a negative progression ALWAYS LOSE!!!!! Hey guys and girls- Not so sure my bet selection is “ poor” ( could be it is…sometimes it’s not so good, but I’ll still ‘stack it up’ against anyone wants to…) ( thinking I have demonstrated this countless times, over many years, to peeps right here on this forum…) CAN I SAYPerhaps WinBac meant to say, except for…or not? Either way, I stand by FLAT BETTING as the gate to get you into the ‘secret garden ‘ of Baccarat ( Agreed you can’t win flat betting, you got no business playing a progression..) WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY ( to help you) ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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