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Scotty- The hardest rule in the book is to " do nothing" ( when in doubt, wait it out) It could take you many, many years and $$ to figure this out...In fact, it could literally " kill you" Until/ unless you act more like a Snickers candy-bar lover who suddenly converts to a Peppermint fanatic. ( at first, you go into chocolate withdrawal...and then?) Read deeper into Stop-Loss remedies... AllTheBest.

Played again today, and " discovered" for the xx'th time that generally speaking, a standard blackjack player acts like the same "Animal" as all the others from the same herd ( or, if you prefer, the same 'hood) - plays basic strategy religiously , even if the downward spiral is looming/ staring them in the face - curses the House/ the Dealer like a drunken sailor...for Dealer 5 card 21's, ties by TheDealer against their 10-10 " pat hands" , or " how come I never get a 21? , when all the other players do" , etc. - has no escape route, except to " run out of money" , or back to the ATM The Point Is This: (A) There are 10 - 50 times more BJ players than BAC, in your casino ...few of them have gone " beyond the GiftShop", nowhere near what they might " learn" if they studied a bit... (B) Don't be one of those players

So, last night @ a small local casino was having difficulty getting ahead of the preshuffled BAC game..1-1/2 shoes, and 5D was not working for me as it normally does. Switched to BJack Double Deck, and employed what I call Common Sense Strategy...which I learned several years ago from a BTC event right here in Las Vegas. Many things I learned that day from BTC....and while I have no empirical data or statistical analysis of these, I have to say they work for me as well as any BJ strategies I have ever read about (1) I only play Double Deck, with an occasional Single Deck game thrown in if I am winning for the session . - The multi-deck games (6,8...continuous shuffler or not) are, to me, very difficult to beat. (2) Clumping concept is very real. . - Suggest you do NOT try to " see it" , meaning do not believe it until it is actually happening. Wait for it to COME TO YOU ! ( if it is there, it will...if it is not, it won't) - Bet table minimum until you see the clumping, then increase your bets accordingly. Same thing, decrease when not in evidence... - A first card 10 is most definitely one critical aspect to success, so look for them where they are most likely to occur..that is, when " clumping" is in evidence. (3) First base, or only head-to-head with the dealer is best, as near as I can see. - I employ a strategy I am sure has a name, I do not know what it is...I call it Card Confusion. - Play 1 or 2 hands, changing how many hands played and bet amounts in proportion to bankroll changes. Again, I cannot quantify " why" this seems to work, but I admit that I have to "relax" , and let the game come to me - DO THIS whenever seems like the Dealer is hardly ever busting...thinking you will be amazed at the results 2,3,4 hands later (4) Do you think they would sell you a card in the GiftShop entitled BasicStrategy, if it really, really worked ? - Just like a BAC ToteBoard...if you do not know how to read far deeper into the game than just the tote board, you will generally just be a sitting duck, ripe for the plucking. - YES, I understand WHY it may help you in the short term, or how to just survive to play out your 20 red or green chips ( flat betting) and just "hope for the best"...many, many books you can read, or google it...make your own decision - DO NOT kill yourself with things like splitting 8's, Doubling Down ( in the absence of goor reason to....NOT JUST what the little card says to do), taking Insurance, etc (5) If you can do it, get another person to play with you at the table...At that Vegas seminar, the concept of Team Play was discussed...It was taken to an extreme ( might get your team thrown out the door) , but seriously, if you can enlist one other player to " help out " with (6) and (7) below, you have a much better chance to win... Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! (6) THE BEST THING I EVER LEARNED ABOUT BLACKJACK was all about how many times the Dealer will bust ( far less than you,the player) ... Even you play basic strategy, the Dealer is going to " outlast you" . - WHY? Simply put, because when you do " bust", even other players at the table, often-times, the Dealer will not have to take a card ( which could potentially " bust" them...) . - YOU Busted, THEY did not even have to go that far. - Simply put, YOU MUST FEED THE DEALER " BUST CARDS" (7) And the best? ( again, check it out) . - The average dealer winning hand is 19.3 . - how often do you think that you, as a Player, will average 19.3???? - More importantly, what can you do about it ? - (Well, a lot...reread this post) OK, OK, I know this may seem like KA spouting off about yet another topic not well vetted on this Forum But, last piece of advice, before you go dipping-your-toes in the casino Blackjack cesspool...DO READ up on it...lots of BJ material out there ...way, way more than BAC ( and yes, KNOW YOUR LIMITS!!!) I WishUAllTheBest NOW, Keith, whose favorite game just might be BJ, hoping he chimes in ( yeah, he started this party...)

BTW, that was a great summation by Vince!

With S40 and a good OTBL+ strategy ( with the modes) and all inked, and a real ABC understanding to VIN-SAP before you begin play in Shreveport, right there written out in front of you, thinking you will be happy with the results Just batten-down the hatches on your bankroll, so you can survive the " sea-sickness" any approach can /will provide.

ESPY- Great idea, Nice execution unfortunately in USA, brick-and-mortar casinos ( not online)..cell phones/computational devices, etc. NOT allowed at the tables - not sure of " rules" in other countries,for live table play But a thought... Might work in certain situations live casinos here in USA....IMPERIAL BACCARAT/ STADIUM BACCARAT might allow in certain instances? - Doubtful, just saying " Maybe" i do not play online, so can't be much help there... welcome to the forum!

"To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." ---- ( Memorable line from some movie I saw one time...) Yet another Baccarat truism??

Hey, Keith good idea here...are there " top 5 " rules/methods you could summarize from your experience? Or even top 1? - ( for me, best thing I ever learned BTC was the seminar where " clumping " was discussed in detail... Especially first base strategy...Single deck/ Double deck, clumping concept seems to work well most casinos here in town...) I remember your keen interest in the game, and thinking Canada Carlos used to weigh in on Blackjack, but not sure he is still on forum? Is NBJ still relevant? Not even sure Basic Strategy holds up well in today's environment, but maybe I am " jaded" by what I have experienced... ( That is why I play Baccarat !)

Sputty- I call it "hitting your head on the ceiling" You are +4 units, then down to +2, then up to + 4 again, then down to -1, then up to +4 again... " Houston, we have a problem" - ( old movie about space exploration and rocket-ships, just saying...) 3rd time is the charm...time to go/ exit the shoe...once you hit that +4 for the third time, I call that: HITTING YOR HEAD ON THE CEILING ( for that shoe) Just IMO, but have been there a whole bunch of times...

Thinking to cut your goal /shoe in 1/2...A.N.D., double the shoes amount played...likely, you will see a few very short shoes, resolved Firslt 15 hands or less...love do not mix online with " real thing" while here In LV ( save that for later) ( but) , how much do you know HOW TO WIN? Just asking....

" Oops, this is the part I forgot to tell you..."

Hey Baccarat Light- THERE IS SIMPLY TO WAY TO SAY WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN GOING THRU HIS MIND... ( maybe he had a " baccarat curfew" , and had to be home by a certain time...) ( maybe he had lost so much already that day/week/month that he just said to himself "WTF?") ( maybe someone " double-dared" him to go ALL IN...) ( maybe he tossed a coin...) etc, etc Trillion offered up a good suggestion, but haven't heard back from you, so difficult to say what might have transpired, and why... Nice he won, though, and hoping the size of his unit was proportionate to his bet... ( B.I.G.) Welcome to the forum!

Yikes. Good thing he did not get on that flight to Jonestown, but instead chose to head to the ( fill in the blank) casino, to cap off his 20 year run of never having a losing day there... ( not sure if it was Grape of Cherry, but it's all about the Kool-Aid...) " Kool- Aid, Kool -Aid, tastes great. - wish I had some, can't wait! " ( famous ad slogan, commercials, etc)...hmmmmmmn, sounds like???

Agree with McV yeah, fewer bets, but higher percentage...

Oh, and here's perhaps a YELLOW BRICK ROAD for success in 2017...just IMHO Contact all the big on-line betting sites betting sites, whether just sports, or sports + games Thinking you and Mike could work out some cross-functional click-ads, or whatever you call them....am quite certain you would get lots of inquiries about membership...( people with money burning holes in their pockets...) And, sports betting both very close, and very far different, from casino games betting. +, anyone pays for sports picks, costs way more than BTC Think "hedge-strategy..."

Keith,Mike and ALL OTHERS who participate, from all over the world, across time zones and continents. The proverbial "corner has been turned", and 2017 will be an excellent opportunity for all BTC members to seize upon the " profit possibilities" PRACTICED PLAYED and PRESENTED by , and among, our membership Especially to Keith and Mike for keeping the site fresh, energetic and a place where players from all levels can learn, share and prosper, wishing you and your families all the best in 2017 and beyond! Y.O.U. keep us coming back for more...

Not sure how to attribute this one, but thinking last time any casino planned, without notice , to "close all their conference rooms for maintenance the same day"... Hmmmmmn. 40 years. And now this...

Thinking JDMo'Money has got it going. - Check out ALL THE VivoGaming girls on their site! Reminds me of LV strip Friday " little black dress night". Or, perhaps even closer Canada's very own NakedNews lineup! - ( just they're not naked?) But for real, thinking JDMo' has our attention...fun to contemplate, right? . - sadly, Thinking his $$ is like Monopoly issue...if he could really get his hands on it, and spend it, why the heck would you not quit your job, and stop wasting your time typing out answers to repetitive, cautionary, downright disbelieving inane questions? ( look closely at VIvo site...you will understand the answer...)

Wow. 7 years on this forum, and peeps still asking " How would U play this Shoe?" - the emphasis on " U " Seems nobody,ever, ever wants to show how they played it first....they just want to complain they could not " win it/figure it out" - what about YOUR results? - the system YOU used? - the betting progression YOU did/ or did not use? - knowing what you now know of the shoe results, WHAT WOULD /COULD U have done different? Look, Its EZ to play a shoe in one's " rear view mirror" But how in the heck does that help ANYBODY (!?) play the next shoe, hand by hand, when all the results are only unfolding, hand-by-hand....NOT THE WHOLE SHOE ( before you begin play...) Thing is... (they don't) Sooooooooo much info this forum how-to-approach/adjust-to/ play a shoe BUT, who will do "the work" to learn this stuff? Far easier to ask somebody, after the fact, " how would you have played this shoe?" ....when you can see right-in-front of you, all the end results???? - Yeah, I played to +3, -12, or +60 Thinking that really "don't feed the bulldog" for next time you go into casino, and face a new set of circumstances all over again... - Please. Learn, then Earn.

Thing is, MoMoney.. Every serious player this forum, knows exactly what I am talking about. i hope you are serious...

JM Challenged you to provide, for a reason lots, and lots of stuff out there. Do you want to make money? ( YES, of course you do...) Are you willing to put in the time? the Work? the Learning-Curve? ( not sure you really are, I do not know you...)

Good idea, Miclus - have said this over an over First....YOU post YOUR Play-by-Play, every single hand - ( for both shoes) Include, please 1) Your " bet rationale " B/P , with explanations , every single hand 2) Your exact $$ Bet Progression , and why? Then can be analyzed how you played vs. what methodology, and how to improve results! Looking forward to it...

jMoney45 - Be good if you would post TheTop 5 things BTC, versus JaySilvaO (1) Methodology ( how to play, step by step) (2) Mo' Money ( which one earns more over large shoe sample size? Results? Play-by Play thousands off shoes?) (3) Momma Told Me not To Come ( Three Dog Night 1970) ...was it worth it?? YOUR ACTUAL EXPERIENCE...would like to see how you " evaluate" it? (4) Mostly, I just want your attention). ( JayO versus BTC) ...which would you do, and why? (5) Momentary Insanity. If 1-4 looks like WINNER, I am all in! I wish you all the best... Kevin

Keith Your video illustrated great way(s) to illustrate/evaluate "potential win rate" using various " betting progressions" But just one shoe... Is there any empirical evidence over all shoes posted so far, THE HIGHEST AND BEST WIN RATE/ and PLAYER ADVANTAGE RATE ( playing every shoe as loaded/posted) ? Not just this shoe, Not just that shoe... No, in their totality, all shoes posted...what " seems " the best " progression to use? Enquiring Minds want to know... ( and thinking Pompano Mike has the answer ready at the push of a button)...One of the most important metrics for Stats for Profit!

OZZIE is right., and JM, I am not just saying this only to you... There is a public aspect to this forum, just as there is to several other baccarat discussion forums you can find on the Internet. - But just like some other forums which charge even a lot more, the " good stuff" is hidden from public view for a number of reasons, Not the least of which our members collaborate to help EVERYONE make a lot of money --- ( and save a lot you could waste figuring this all out) I am not a salesman for the forum. I joined back around 2010, after having dabbled in casino gambling for more than 20 years...a period during which I "gradually" lost a lot of money at the tables....Kind of like the frog-in-the-boiling water analogy ( you can google it...) . - Felt fine for a while, then it hurt! BTC absolutely, Positively, No'Bout'A'Doubt'It OPENED MY EYES as to How 2 Win @ Baccarat, AND Blackjack Sure, I knew how to play, but I did NOT KNOW HOW2WIN!!!! - Until I became a member, and joined in the conversation. JM...( and others) You are all welcome here. - But you will never, ever even remotely fathom just how much money you can make from gambling until you spend some time with us. I am so confident in all this, I regularly post my direct contact info for members of the private forum to contact me, meet with me here in Las Vegas...and I'll throw in Sports, as a bonus. ----------------None of this will cost you anything...I do it because I want to, and can. Look, I am not " touting" myself as an " expert", and I still cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to win each-and-every-day But what an investment in the private forum will get you is way, way a better ROI than anything I have ever learned from those who call themselves " experts" in other fields... - It really is up to you. If you have questions, call me 850-687-3128 PST. - N.O.B.O.D.Y. gives out their phone #. I just did, as I have done many, many times B4 If I don't answer, but you leave me a message, I will call you back. Good luck to you!!! PS - I do not have time to Skype, I do not have patience for FaceTime, or whatever. I cannot possibly answer all of your emails. - But I do respond to phone calls.